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“We have the right to know if our courts are unsafe — for practitioners and non-practitioners alike,” says contributing editor-at-large Tess Lawrence, in another eye-opening IA investigation.
- by contributing editor-at-large Tess Lawrence
The heading in The Sunday Age said it all: ‘Threatening behaviour on rise in Courts’.
Matt Norman and I can vouch for this.
The intro to the story by Chris Vedelago said it all:
‘SECURITY threats at Victoria’s courts are soaring, with incidents of intimidation, abusive behaviour and bomb hoaxes now occurring almost daily.’
Matt Norman and I can vouch for that, too.
Chris went on to say:
‘FOI documents show that most security incidents involved threats that were made within the secured court complexes, including inside the court rooms.’
Spot on. Matt Norman and I can also vouch for that.
I’m grateful to The Age for securing these documents under FOI from the Department of Justice and for paying for information that the State should be compelled to provide to the general public for a nominal processing fee.
But little wonder that The Age had to force the issue through an FOI request.
I haven’t the benefit of reading the documents in full – or of knowing the specifics of The Age‘s request to the DOJ – or if the documents were redacted in any way.
But while the stats don’t surprise me:
‘Documents obtained by The Sunday Age under freedom of information reveal that 149 ”personal safety incidents” involving threats were recorded in the court system in 2011, jumping 48 per cent in a single year.’
This does
‘Under Department of Justice guidelines, an incident involves a threat or perceived threat against a member of the judiciary, court staff, court user, or a building or other property.’
What’s wrong with this picture?
Do you spot the flaws in this inept and prejudiced definition of what constitutes an ‘incident’?
- Matt Norman
I thought you might.
It’s all about threats made against the judiciary, court staff, court users and buildings.
It says nothing about the threats made to us – the general public – by the judiciary, court staff and court users (to quote Chris again)
‘…within the secured court complexes, including inside the court rooms.’
Is that the best that the Department of Justice can come up with?
Who did this report?
Who was interviewed for this report?
I certainly wasn’t.
I received an alleged death threat from a lawyer who tried to get me to change my evidence, in the Magistrates Court on May 9, 2011.
This lawyer, Richard Ashley, worked with and for McKean Park Lawyers. I was also a client of theirs. I also shared a mutual client with McKean Park Lawyers. McKean Park Lawyers also withheld my money from this mutual client.
McKean Park Lawyers went on to bankrupt me without my knowledge — and in my absence caused by the very illness triggered by the Richard Ashley confrontation. Go figure. It’s called Justice in Victoria.
In Independent Australia, we exposed what was happening in an article entitled The Victorian Injustice System.
(Nota Bene: You can’t bankrupt anyone in Australia for an alleged debt of less than $5000. I owed McKean Park Lawyers $1,858).
As Chris writes:
“…FOI documents show the Department of Justice created a centrally managed security database in 2010, nearly a year before the election. There were 101 incidents recorded in 2010 and 149 incidents in 2011, which amounts to a threat occurring about one out of every two days the courts were in session. Based on data available for the first quarter of 2012, the number of incidents could reach a new high by the end of this year.”
Is the horrible experience that caused me to spiral into PTSD documented in the DOJ report?
It certainly falls into the time zone.
Is the CCTV court footage showing the Ashley attack contained in the report?
Is the statement I made to Victoria Police about the attack contained in the report?
In obvious distress, I reported the attack to presiding Magistrate Braun, who ordered me to sit down and told me he wasn’t interested in anything that happened unless it happened in his courtroom.
Is the audio of Braun’s outrageous statements contained in the report?
Did those compiling the report interview the kind lady from the Court Network who helped calm me and who let me use their phone to call someone.
Did those compiling the report interview the person I called — lawyer Ross Delahunty, from whose Murrumbeena office the Law Institute of Victoria later seized my documents from a private filing cabinet, where they were being kept by Ross for safe keeping?
And who were the lawyers acting for the Law Institute of Victoria during the raid? You guessed it! None other than McKean Park Lawyers!
As a low level investigative hack journalist who has none of the elan of Phyrne Fisher, even I can attest that all of the above would qualify as an ‘incident’ for the Department of Justice report.
But wait, there’s more. I tried to do the right thing and write to the regulatory bodies. Silly me.
Is the letter I wrote to the Chief Magistrate Mr Ian Gray and the Legal Services Commissioner, Mr Michael McGarvie, telling them of the attack and asking them to ensure the CCTV of the attack was protected, in the report? Surely they are.
Were my medical and psychological reports tabled in affidavits in the courts in the Department of Justice’s report? Surely they were.
Were my pleadings and material facts of the death threat made verbally and in writing before the Magistrates’ Court, The Federal Magistrates’ Court, the Federal Court, the Supreme Court of Victoria and the Court of Appeal and, male judges all, contained in the Department of Justice’s report? Surely they are.
After all, in his article Chris mentions another death threat made in the Melbourne Magistrates’ Court:
‘The Sunday Age believes that recent security incidents could include a threat to kill the defendant in a police corruption case, uttered in the foyer of the Melbourne Magistrates Court…’
Now, I don’t want to suggest that because this incident involves the police it IS included in the DOJ report, whereas given I am part of the Great Unwashed, a death threat against me is NOT.
But sadly, that’s what I do conclude.
No wonder Victoria’s Chief Justice Marilyn Warren is flipping her horsehair wig over the Department of Justice. And with good reason.
I quote this from the Independent Australia article entitled The National Unaustralian Bank, published on May 10 this year:
Ironically, in today’s The Age, journalist Leonie Wood has an article on Chief Justice Marilyn Warren slamming the Department of Justice.
Wood writes:
‘In a scathing attack on the Baillieu government’s mandarins, Supreme Court Chief Justice Marilyn Warren lambasted the department for undermining the courts’ administration of justice.
‘Its relentless measurement of the courts’ performance in terms of financial targets, “outputs” and “deliverables” had relegated what should be the independent third arm of government to a mere business unit, she said…’
The DOJ is in disarray and warrants an investigation and overhaul; a degreasing the palm and soil change.
And from confidential interviews with hard working and concerned DOJ employees, they would welcome scrutiny from an outside source given the power to ensure that whistleblowers would be protected from any retaliation.
People are petrified of speaking up in this State. And with good reason.
Like the Chief Justice, these public servants are worried that within the Justice system, human beings are relegated to mere case numbers and that the process is dehumanising.
There are also concerns that employees are not being promoted on merit.
There is an attitude in some pockets of the DOJ that their sole purpose is to attend to the judiciary and practitioners, rather than to equally attend to the general public. Houses of Justice belong to all.
The other week, Ian Gray, our Chief Magistrate incurred the wrath of police prosecutors when he made a statement decrying their abilities in criminal cases.
Would that be the very same Chief Magistrate who seemingly couldn’t care less about what Magistrates like Braun are doing and saying in his Courts? Yep.
Victorian Chief Magistrate Ian Gray
eople who live in Class Houses … et cetera.
Well, Gray crossed the thin blue line with the police prosecutors and their union issued a retaliatory statement. They were not impressed.
I’ve listened to both sides of the story — and each have legitimate grievances.
The whole notion of due process has become trashed and degraded and needs to be enforced and restored.
Who can forget the debacle last year when it was revealed that for years Victoria Police had been presenting unsworn affidavits in court.
Near enough has become good enough. Near enough should never find a haven in the portals of Justice. We can never afford to lower that bar. As a community we have to daily renew our vows to her and to work together to ensure that those who stand before her are treated equally.
These days, one is considered a fanciful fool to think such things, let alone utter them in public. So be it.
Look closely at the shameless spin, double standard and hypocrisy of the DOJ reflected in The Age‘s article.
‘Government and court representatives have declined to comment on any specific threats received, whom they were directed against or what action has been taken in response, citing security concerns.”
‘A court spokeswoman said authorities were concerned that publicity about the issue could generate even more threats, likening the situation to the official silence that often surrounds the reporting of suicides.’
So what does the DOJ do? Pinpoint an ‘incident’ that is well and truly in the public domain — in what has become known as ‘ The Matt Norman versus the National Australia Bank’ case.
However, the DOJ has the audacity to misrepresent the circumstances to favour the Judge and court practitioners.
The Age refers to
‘.. a menacing letter sent to the judge presiding over a home foreclosure case in the Supreme Court.
‘In January, a foreclosure-related hearing in the Supreme Court was disrupted when a justice received an anonymous letter accusing him of taking secret oaths and ”selling his soul” to the ”illuminati” who run the ”New World Order”.’
Excuse me?
The only disruption in the proceedings held in Number 10 Practice Court on January the 19th was caused by His Honour Justice Judd when he obviously had a senior’s moment and thought he was a judge on Dancing With The Stars.
His Honour seemed oblivious to any notion of the presumption of innocence and singled out Matt Norman from the packed courtroom to ask him if he’d sent him (the Judge) a letter — a shocking accusation to make in a public courtroom out of the blue, let alone to a litigant in person struggling to represent himself in Court against the legal behemoth and unmitigated bully that is the National Australia Bank.
Norman strenuously denied sending Justice Judd the letter.
The letter has been preposterously described as “menacing” in The Age.
It certainly was not.
On January 20th, Independent Australia published that same letter in full.
Here it is again, so that you can judge for yourselves:
I was in court that day supporting Matt and his wife Rebecca, taking notes and filming for my own documentary and investigations as well as filing a report for Independent Australia.
You will note that the so-called ‘menacing’ letter is dated January 13. Matt’s Court appearance was not until six days later.
I fail to understand why His Honour and Supreme Court Security personnel did not immediately contact the police if they thought the letter was ‘menacing’.
What attempt was made to trace the origin of the letter?
Why place the safety of the Judge in jeopardy for almost a week?
It was, in fact, His Honour who ‘disrupted’ the court — not Matt.
And as a specialist in crisis management who, incidentally, had written to the Chief Magistrate several years ago concerned about the lapses in security in our courts, I consider his Honour’s action irresponsible, as well as unconscionable, given that Matt is a litigant in person.
Was it His Honour’s idea to present the letter in court? Or was he advised by court staff to ‘handle’ the letter this way? Was His Honour manipulated in any way by other parties?
All justifiable questions under the circumstances.
If Justice Judd thought Norman sent the letter, why did he seem to have little regard for the safety of the packed courtroom of supporters and single out Norman and challenge him over the letter?
Something’s not quite right here.
I am concerned that the letter may be a concoction sent to the Judge to deliberately besmirch Norman’s character and perhaps to goad him into breaking down.
Whilst in no-way am I suggesting His Honour had anything to do with such a thing, I certainly believe that the Department of Justice should investigate why His Honour ‘disrupted’ the Court in this manner and himself created the ‘incident’.
- Message given to Matt Norman
Norman has made no secret of the fact that he is bipolar. There are judges, lawyers, journalists and doctors who are bipolar. According to one bipolar website, close to 239,000 Australians have the condition.
But wait, there’s much more, and before I tell you about it, let’s go back to the telling article in The Age and this paragraph in particular:
‘A protective services officer, who regularly works in the court system and who asked to remain anonymous, said that serious threats against courts or judicial officers were almost unheard of. ‘[But] if you mean clients verbally threatening police, PSOs and private security, it is a daily occurrence,” he said.’
But what happens when clients are threatened by security personnel, or police, protective services officers, or private security?
Nothing happens.
Does the DOJ report reveal what happened to the Normans IN the courtroom?
Just before His Honour walked into the court, the Chief of Security for the Supreme Court, Graeme Spurr, went up to Rebecca and Matt and delivered a threatening message on behalf of Sydney lawyer Kevin Pringle’, of Gadens Lawyers, for the National Australia Bank.
What on earth is going on in our courts?
And why did Kevin Pringle in the Sydney office of Gadens interfere in a case supposedly being run by the Melbourne office of Gadens?
Did the Department of Justice investigate this outrageous conduct, breach of security and intimidation by Spurr and Pringle and the NAB?
Justice James Judd
When Matt Norman told Justice Judd what Spurr had done, and how he and his wife had been threatened, His Honour’s odd response was to vigorously question Norman about a letter.
It seemed to me that His Honour was seeking to discredit Norman before his supporters (some of whom had travelled from West Australia) by disregarding Spurr’s outrageous behaviour.
The episode had the hallmarks of a stunt.
Did the DOJ question His Honour as to why he did nothing about Spurr’s conduct and why he allowed the case to continue as if nothing had happened?
Now, in relation to the remark in The Age article attributed to the court spokeswoman, that authorities were concerned that publicity about the issue could generate more threats, likening the situation to the ‘official silence that often surrounds the reporting of suicides’ — I’m not sure where she got her information from, but I’d like to draw her attention to an article about the tragedy of suicide by train, in yesterday’s online The Age by Mex Cooper quoting former Australian of the Year psychiatrist Professor Patrick McGorry, a director of the National Youth Mental Health Foundation (headspace) welcoming
‘recently updated media guidelines on suicide reporting. They are part of the government-backed Mindframe mental health initiative.
‘Professor McGorry said a taboo on discussing suicide meant many Australians were unaware more people died as a result of suicide than in road accidents.’
We have the right to know if our courts are unsafe — for practitioners and non-practitioners alike.
It is time that the Department of Justice commissioned an independent inquiry to investigate the incidence of illness, self-harm and suicide attributed to matters dealt with by the Department of Justice.
There should be a proper forensic investigation into threats and violence and intimidation within our court system and any attempt to pervert the course of Justice — regardless from what side of the bench it emanates.
Without fear. And without favour.
(The number for Lifeline is 13 11 14. Please remember, there is no shame in seeking help.)
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Thank you so much Tess. Just a quick comment on the video of Justice Warren. She is not a chief judge. She has the audacity to make judgement on people before any evidence is given. When is Australia going to expect judges who stand up for society. The ones in our courts at the moment don’t stand up for anything but themselves. Again Tess, another great article.
It is far too easy to manipulate the truth by leaving out a couple of relevant facts. Having been in the court room in question at the time the letter disturbed proceedings, I am somewhat disturbed at what passes as unbiased reporting in the mainstream media these days. Funny that there was no mention of the threat to Matt and his wife by court security. Well, actually that isn’t funny at all – it is tragic that we are simply fed this tripe pretending to be news when all it is is setting up a victim of NAB fraud to appear in a bad light. No doubt this is all a ploy to discredit Matt before his High Court appearance. I’ve heard of underhand tactics before but telling only half the story and forgetting to say that there are members of the public threatened by court staff is disingenuous. The truth will out, Matt wasn’t the first to be threatened by those charged with protecting us and he won’t be the last … not until this is revealed in all its ugliness. Hopefully other victims will now step forward and demand to be counted.
Hi Tess,
Court Threats of a Different Sort
Perhaps a little tangential to the discussion, this tale of courts being used to threaten people, may be of interest.
In previous posts to your other articles, I talked about our (my and my 7 year old daughter’s) forced exile from the land of our birth, and a 13 year battle to get back my Aust passport. But I didn’t get into how the exile was pulled off:
Perth readers (and others) will be familiar with a string of murders, known as the Claremont murders. Back in 1997, I found a lot of evidence related to the murders, and, like any honest citizen, phoned the police immediately.
No surprise, that evidence was quickly grabbed by the WA police, who arrested the guy in question. But then the protection of the murder suspect kicked into gear.
A Perth judge organised an arrest warrant for me – the charge was theft – ie of the evidence that the WA Police had taken. Defence (and the major Aust banks) simultaneously with the arrest threats) offered me mega software contracts IF I would market their software outside Australia – ie take the samples of their software to the USA and Europe.
Naive, I didn’t make the connections between a corrupt Perth judge and the offer from the banks and the Defence Department.
Once I was safely out of the country, I received a letter from a Perth law-firm telling me that the arrest warrant had gone live, and that the Aust Federal Police had made the arrest warrant enforceable and obligatory at ALL Australian airports. The West Australian Police told me that the subsequent court case was a done deal — that the judge had been paid off,that I was 100% certain to be gaoled, and that my daughter would be seized, and handed over into “care” which the police indicated, would not be safe for her.
The arrest warrants stayed in place until after my passport had expired. Then, for more than a decade, DFAT found ways to block renewing my passport. There it is – FORCED EXILE, like something out of the middle Ages, perpetrated by bent bureaucrats and corrupt courts – in modern Australia.
With that personal history behind me, your article about death threats, and other threats from lawyers, sounds (sadly!) to be pretty much “par for the course” in our legal system.
[And, the WA police apologised for what they had been ordered to do - they didn't like it, but said they had no choice].
Dear ROSIE CORNELL, you are a very important witness because you were there in Court that day – and now you can see first hand how easily the truth can be distorted, but if this isn’t pointed out – how would the general public – we the people – ever know about it ?
Thank you, thank you, thank you for backing me up. Matt
There were dozens of Matt’s supporters in Court who can also testify to what took place.
I reckon many of us are prepared to testify as to what really took place that day.
I still can’t believe the actions of the Judge towards Matt and
Rebecca.
If Judges treat Matt and Rebecca like that, then that is how they
are treating all of us.
It is so wrong and despite attempts to threaten Matt and myself, we ALL have the right to openly discuss and debate and argue about what goes on.
Dear TERRA AUSTRALIS, given that I have personal experience of
fraud and corruption and collusion, I am disappointed to hear how you and you family have been treated. But not surprised.
The good thing is, that so often within such institutions, there are good and decent people who are sometimes prepared to come forward.
But I realise only too well, they put their safety and well being on the line by doing this.
Given the theft of my files and personal possessions and property,
I am under no illusion of the consequences of speaking up and speaking out.
The same goes for Matt Norman and Rosie Cornell and other brave souls like them.
COMING SOON – BREAKING NEWS ON THIS STORY THAT WILL SHOCK YOU!
Dear Tess,
we can testify that Matt Norman did not speak to any one from the moment he entered court and sat down next to his wife but was approached by a man of a large displacement whom spoke to Matt approaching him from behind. Matt seemed to be surprised by what was said to him.
Dario Pappalardo
patricia Thirup
7th June 2012
I attended Matt’s Court Case. I flew down from Sydney. I will happily be a Witness for any Court Case, Inquiry etc.It was very obvious to us all that Matt and his wife were taken by surprise with what happened both with the Security Guard sitting in quite a menacing manner on the side of the Court Room. Wearing no official Court Uniform. In the body language of “Over Kill” and domination of both Matt his wife and the full to capacity Court Room.
The Judge was then to make Comment concerning this letter and this also was obvious to us all listening intently to all that was spoken by the Judge that Matt and his wife had no prior knowledge of what the Judge was saying. I believe that the Judge accepted that Matt had no knowledge of the letter with the immediate response from Matt.Matt was approached by this man wearing no Uniform to indicate position held and given a business card. Totally unprofessional for a Court Room attendant.
When one is taking time to respond normally one is thinking of protecting one self. Matt immediately responded without a thought protection process showing to a full packed Court Room.His denial.It was obvious to usand the Judge that this letter did not originate from himFor a lay person Matt conducted himself in a proper manner and showed ultimate respect to the Court and the Judge residing. Contary to this the other Legal present for the other side appeared totally disinterested with the whole process. He gave a body language of …really do I have to be here listening to this upstart.Boring Boring.
In constrast the Judge did give time and understanding and listened but also mentioned he had a dental appointment to attend and so time for Matt was limited.So Legal arguement must take second place to a dental appointment is this how far the Law of Australia has sunk? Maybe I simply misunderstood.
The law is for the use of everyone and when circumstances are that the person involved can’t afford legal representation is a blight on society itself and the Legal profession in particular.
Instead of dragging innocent people into a Legal System that is not the place where Law Abiding citizens congregate and find it intimidating. Certain Court Cases should be dealt with in totally different manner. The Banks should be more Customer Friendly and improve their Dispute Resolution Procedures. This would then move the Banks into a proactive stance instead of a reactive stance as now happens. This would take these Cases from the brutal bashing and emotional turmoil that occurs to families facing Repossesion Proceedings.
Infact the Banks should put in place along side the Federal Government procedures that remove all Court Case for Repossession into a different type of enviroment a customer friendly one.
It is wrong so wrong to force people already broken emotionally and financilly into the robust world of the Court System. Matt was strugling and obviously out of his comfort zone but at least trying to put forward a reasonable arguement concerning his particular case. I applaude him for this.
This was not his normal working environment and put on a very good respectful showing.I appaud him for this.
Change is required and immediately to stop this carnage of innocent people placed in these positions.Legalshould make the first or final push to see these problems dealt with in a different manner. The citizens of Australia demand better from the Government and the Legal Profession and most of all from our Banking Industry.
A personal word to Matt and his family Customers of all Banks are with you in mind and spirit. I personally will do everything in my power to stop this slaughter house routine displaced daily by the Banking Industry that uses the Court System as their personal throat cutting slaughter house that then cuts up the family unit (marriage break downs) Body , then the home sold (head) and then to go in for bankrupcy and remove every dollar from the Customer and then to allow them to live in shame for a few years.All Other body parts, family and friends to isolate this person so mental problems set in and a burden on our Health Departments emerges. All because the Banking Industry and the Federal Government allow it to happen Shame on you all. Deal with it.
The Australian Citizen has woken up and will not tolerate this financial abuse, mental anguish and personal attacks. If a Poll was taken today to ask people Australia wide if they have known a person in Matt’s position there would be a resounding 100% YES.
This is why Banks and this sitting Government has such a low rating with the general public in these surveys. The saying goes …if it is not broken don’t fix it BUT in these Repossession Cases it is BROKEN so FIX IT.
Dear DARIO PAPPALARDO, thank you so much for your courage and testimony here to support the true version of events that seem to be deliberately ignored/covered up by the Judiciary, the Department of Justice entire, the Government, the Police and ALL regulatory bodies.
Dear PATRICIA THIRUP, this is astounding! The Judge has a dental appointment, so doesn’t allow MATT NORMAN time to plead ?
We are so lucky that we don’t have the Death Penalty in Australia otherwise the sentence might be Death by Dental Appointment for Justice Judd!
Tell me it’s a MONTY PYTHON skit!!!!!!!!!
I think CHIEF JUSTICE MARILYN WARREN needs to know about this.
I cannot imagine she would let this stand without ordering an investigation.
Chief Justice, would you ask JUSTICE JUDD if this is so ?
Could you get the transcript and release it to us, the people?
Also, could you ensure that Judges do NOT redact and rewrite transcripts ? That is, not merely correcting transcripts, but
actually rewriting them ?
Where is ROBERT CLARK, our ATTORNEY GENERAL in all of this?
Patricia, you raise some very important and salient points.
Thank you soo much for offering to be a Witness for Matt.
He deserves a re-hearing.
I think what happened is, at the least, an attempt to interfere with the course of Justice.
I agree with you about the demeanour of the NAB’s legal team from Gadens.
I’m sure their boredom is being adequately compensated for, by NAB.
In my own case, Turks Legal resorted to pulling faces and playing air violins, when I got up to plead.
Patricia, thank you for stepping forward and for your own fight against the NAB’s injustice, because the fight for one, is the fight for all.
Hi Tess, I can confirm that at the start Judge Judd did say he wanted to move the case to a different court as he had a dental appointment so could only give limited time to hear the case. The old cynicism reared its head on that one – why not adjourn the case? Then that thought battled with the thought that the only reason the good judge had a pressing dental appointment that day was because the gallery was full of witnesses there to support Matt and Rebecca. Can’t do a snow job with witnesses now can we? Yet they still managed to pull it off. Why was Matt’s evidence that the mysterious woman working in the ATM was not in fact a real person and therefore had no legal standing in the case not further probed? The judge asked more questions about that letter than he did about the dodgy Affidavit proffered by Gadens. There is something very, very wrong with our legal system Australia wide a time it was all exposed in it’s unadulterated ugliness.
I think Patricia is right, take the money men out of the equation and let arbitrators of justice look at the facts impartially in a less threatening environment. Let’s get some integrity, honesty and most of all justice into this system.
I too am willing to bear witness to the events that unfolded that day.
Dear ROSIE CORNELL, thank you again for backing up PATRICIA THIRUP’s
testimony here – unbelievable!
Of course the case should have been adjourned! JUSTICE JUDD should have shut down the case immediately MATT NORMAN told him about the threats conveyed by THE SUPREME COURT SECURITY CHIEF GRAEME SPURR and the message he said he conveyed from the GADENS lawyer in Sydney, KEVIN PRINGLE!
And you are spot on in relation to the mysterious woman who allegedly signed an Affidavit on behalf of the NAB, and yet whose address appears to be an ATM machine!
Why won’t the NAB produce evidence that this woman exists?
Thank you too, Rosie, for offering to be a witness for Matt.
He deserves a rehearing at the very least.
It is shocking. And it is so disappointing. Our Courts are where you and I should expect to find Justice, and I don’t want us to lose these rights, or to have them pilfered little by little.
Please, CHIEF JUSTICE MARILYN WARREN, do something about this.
Pretty mind blowing stuff!!
The stories of intimidation, thuggery, rigged courts, death threats, a judge cutting proceedings short to go to the dentists, the NAB producing affidavits signed by a bogus woman who lives in an ATM – it just keeps coming!!
If this was a B-grade movie script about some little banana republic, we would say “only in movies” or “only in a farce”.
You know, the banana republic run by EL WOPPO, with his uncle, EL Juddo as judge, and his cousin, EL Thugo in charge of court security, and his brother-in-law, EL Decepto in charge of EL Banco Nacionale, with Senors Diablo and Beelzebubo as lawyer for the bank . . . .
But this particular banana republic / circus, is our Australian legal system!!!!!
Any votes for David D as our new EL PRESIDENTE??
I want to personally thank all of you who have shown such commitment to justice to someone who you don’t know. My family and I thank you from the depth of our soul.
Tess, your pleas to Cheif Justice Marilyn WARREN have not been heard. In my appeal I was in front of Justice Harper and Chief Justice WARREN who gave me the greatest of ever slaps in the face. She said “Mr Norman, you have explained to me what you say happened in the court in front of Justice Judd but you have not told me why Justice Judd’s decision was wrong in law. You are here Mr Norman to indentify where the Judge made a mistake in his judgement”. In other words Tess, she allowed the violence in the court.
One of the greatest moments was when in front of the very man that wrote it I quoted Justice Harper in something he wrote a few years earlier about fairness etc in our court. He sat their so proud that he was being quoted and then just slit my throat at the end like it was butter. He couldn’t even follow his own belief in fair play, justice and proper investigation into events.
So, i’m now JUDGED by two judges which makes me wild with anger. The next step is the HIGH COURT which is what I’m preparing for now. However, this time I’m armed with a new set of facts that prove that the banks not allowing discovery of ANY documents to prove their case means that all judgements made before have been done so without authority.
Associate Lansdowne – Gave 3 hours for the bank, me 13 minutes.
Associate Judd – Gave me a DeNovo (re hearing) and then from a properly worded and legal affidavit that was 50pages long stopped me at page 4 and I was made to forgo any of the facts as he wanted to go to the dentist.
Cheif Justice Warren and Justice Harper then heard my appeal to the threats in court, the non ability or opportunity for me to present the case in it’s entirity due to Judge shifting and also the fact that no summary judgement can be made when I declare fraud (yes folks, the supreme court rules state that no summary judgement can be made if you accuse the apposing party with fraud). Yet they sank their boot in without even battering an eye lid.
For those that don’t already know, I’ve just had my exams for first semester of law school. I have no doubt I passed as thus far my scores are around 87% – 100% for my assignments etc. So funnily in this last semmester the subjects that I studied were in fact about issues that I have faced in the past year. All of which my own law school teaches me is unjust, unethical and completely against the whole purpose of justice.
You see, if a person is not able to or is stopped from making their case in the supreme court then the justice that needs to be seen to be done and failed. The only way a person can see justice is if the case is given by both parties to it’s completion. Yet, I have been in court not because of the facts of the case which is a fraudulent bank but because I have been too busy fighting off Summary Judgement.
It’s incredible to know that the facts of the case for what I am meant to be defending have yet to be heard. A decision to rape me and my family and steal my home was made because the judges did not allow normal and proper process. In fact they were challenged to prove their case and they refused to answer.
Then to kill off further attempts they had a person called “ASHWATHI MURLIDHAR” who is in fact a drone of some kind or a mythical creature made up to robosign documents who not only signed an affidavit of the ONLY evidence they are bringing to the court but who ALSO signed an “OVERARCHING OBLIGATION CERTIFICATE” instead of the lawyers. Meaning if she lied she would go to jail. Why then was she not in court. Usually an Overarching obligation certificate is filed on the first day of hearing by the lawyer to show the lawyer understand and agrees not to lie. This person who doesn’t exsist did it instead (she is not a lawyer, she is not a real person, she is not a witness, she is not a real person… sorry, SHE IS NOT A REAL PERSON). When this was brought up in front of CF WARREN, instead of asking the Plaintiff if this was true as per her duty, she changed subjects.
I have now made all four judges aware of the fact that it is my belief that ASHWATHI MURLIDHAR is not a real person and not ONE SINGLE JUDGE has asked the bank if this is true. This person signed the only evidence as being true and correct whilst also signing the overarching obligations and ALL JUDGES have refused to ask the plaintiff if this is true. CONTEMPT, CONTEMPT, CONTEMPT!!!!!!!
Gadens Lawyers and the barrister working for the bank ADAM SEGAL should be charged with Contempt of court. Yet, nothing has been done.
In conclusion, I have been threatened, I have been refused any opportunity to put my case, I have given evidence of threats made, testimony of issues with the court staff and the judges mistakes, have demanded that the Plaintiff prove the banks affidavit by a real person, including her identity and for that the bank takes my home, plus hundred thousand in fees and interest and not one single document from the bank is ever disclosed.
So Australia, what do you think I should do about it. To be honest we’ve been under so much pressure that I did think the Bipolar was going to flare up but so far the ongoing high has been putting my mania into creative justice, writing, law school and thousands of pages of summary and application to the courts. I’m also fighting a lawyer in court (yep, a lawyer has taken me to court) and two others. So i’m full time court these days.
My wife is concerned that the sudden fall will be the end of me but I live in hope that I stay motivated by the injustice of this case and the injustice of all Australian’s.
Thanks again for the support. What has happened to me and also what I have witnessed in Tess’s case and also Rosie’s simply defies belief. I WILL stop this friends. I make that promise to all Australian’s. I WILL stop this fraud. xxx
Dear TERRA AUSTRALIS, no wonder that they say Truth is Stranger Than Fiction.
The thing is, we are ALL speaking the Truth.
As a community we simply cannot allow Matt and Rebecca and his
children to be so roughly mistreated by the Judicial system.
He deserves a rehearing and a police investigation.
I am now very concerned for the safety of employees in the Court system, who have told me that workplace bullying is on the increase.
Hi Tess.
Quoting from one of your previous posts:
“I don’t want us to lose these rights, or to have them pilfered little by little.”
You nailed it with that comment — if the Judicial System gets away with mistreating one family, like Matt & Rebecca, or one litigant like you, or Rosie, then it becomes two families, then five, then ten, then a hundred . . . .
The same with a bullying workplace culture, especially in a workplace where certain people already think they are above the law — courts run by bullies are likely to become houses of injustice, falsehood and theft.
Love and kisses for all your hard, and what must be at times, stressful work, in getting the truth of what is happening in the courts, and in the banking system, out in the open.
Dear TERRA AUSTRALIS, thank you so much. It is stressful and like many others, I have been brutally punched out of the ring at times.
These horrible, and at times illegal, things are happening to Australians on a daily basis.
We are being dished up unpalatable low grade, fast-food type of
Justice.
It seems to me that we of the The Great Unwashed are presumed already guilty and the Word of the institutions is accepted over ours. Even if that Word is a Lie.
The fight for one of us, is a fight for all.
We are all MATT NORMAN on this given day.
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Hi Tess
I fully support all actions that you are taking and will be there for you Rosie, Matt and his young family and all others so effected. I will stand up to be counted……
What follows I am able to support with full factual evidence but one more serious partical of factual evidence I hold, I wish to have checked by a very Senior Legal Person retired before I let go of it.I no longer have faith in any sitting or serving Legal person in our Court Systems or our Federal or State Governments.
I flew down to Melbourne to be an Observer for many of us in NSW that have and are suffering the same carnage in the Court Systems (slaughter houses) up here. Also another Case of great importance to all law abiding people in Australia was being played out in another Court Room on that same day. So for me it was two fold. I collected vital information from both for all law abiding citizens of Australia.
A worthwhile day for me.
Now lets cut to the chase. Keating deregulated the Banking System and a lot of the blame must be shafted firmly home to his era.This was the start of the breakdown of our Society as we knew it.
Man Made Law through Legislation.A total failure for the Citizens/Voters of Australia. A massive blunder occurred here.Loop Holes galore occurred. Criminal Elements moved in, Organised Crime Sydicates, Bikie Gangs and Money Laundering and most of all TAX EVASION was and is played out everyday in the Banking Industry.It has not been constrained YET.
These criminal elements… (people) set about placing specific people in specific roles outside the Banks and most of all inside the Banking Industry and Banks throughout Australia.Their own employees no less.
I know because these people captured me in their criminal ring.I have the Police boss of the Serious Crime Division in NSW that would support that statement above. I was asked by Police to go on television to assist them as more people would come forward they hoped.Many more came forward I appeared on Today Tonight many months ago. I can say no more due to the Mediation Silence Clause. Now please read on:
I will allege that the Banks had no security in place to protect the potiental Customer or themselves when these criminals struck internally or externally or both…..so protection of themselves came into play when the Banks realised this.They ran for the protection of big Legal Firms, Barristers and the Court Systems.To both intimidate and remove us from their sights. Most people fled and conceded and lost their homes and business because they did not understand what had happened to them.Then when the Financial Crash (GFC) occurred the Banks ran for protection yet again from the Government. The RUDD government to underpin their massive problems with the Government Insurance. The Banks through Deregulation had secured themselves from everything except the CRIMINAL ELEMENT in our Society. So they shafted that blame onto us with the Court System …..the slaughter house, We became the criminal in the Bank’s eyes.
So the Banks have the protection of MAN MADE Law and then they believed with force and money they can use Common Law our Court Systems.. Well they can’t.
The Loan firmly starts as stated under Common Law (CONTRACT LAW) with the negiotation of the Loan not where the Banks are using it in the Court System in the 2nd Stage of the negiotation is where the Banks come into play.
Rubbish,garbage, the Banks and Government bought into play the outside Brokers etc, not the ordinary citizen. All CONTRACTS therefore are NULL and VOID under CONTRACT LAW in NSW and maybe other States if it is found that trickery, forgery or fraud has occurred in this 1st Stage.
Wake up Courts, Judges and the like. Always remember the old saying told to me by a retired British Judge ….”Patricia when the Government is found to be incompedent in Man Made Law, they will run quick smart to the Court System and COMMON LAW for protection. Also always remember that Barristers and Senior Law Firms have TWO Pockets in their trousers one deeper than the other. Enough said. We lose. Most did.
Let me continue….
Prime Minister Howard came into Federal Government and we all prospered. Our wealth re: Home equity rose substantially. The Banks started to throw Credit Cards etc at us all in Australia even young children… caste your mind back. Then the Banks went on the prowl after our Equity in our Homes. They were able to bring in Brokers, Agents and whatever name you wish to call them to do their leg work. All protection for the Consumers we are/were told. First mistake for the Man Made Laws. Criminal elements found the loop hole. Then the Banks only came in on the second stage and followed through with the Loan and then signed and money exchanged and deal done. Payments then to be paid.Security held. All sounds correct ….not so for many of us.
We always were of the opinion that our financials played a major if not the ONLY fact in approving these Loans.Our Homes were only security for the Loan NO No No It was not, and I have the factual evidence to prove this.
It was Predatory Asset Lending.The American way of banking life.
It was sheer disregard for any Financials in any shape or form.The Banks did not care if you could afford it or not …they required your home only. The rest they did not care about. They had the prize. YOUR HOME and it’s DEEDS. It was the Value of the SECURITY… your Home and Assets that was the Major and ONLY factor in this Lending process.
This can be proved beyond doubt because the criminal element in our Society saw the opportunity to move in and firstly inflitrate the Ist stage (under Contract Law) Brokers, Agents etc work processing the Loan (previously the Bank’s responsility)and then the 2nd stage was infiltrated by these criminals also by placing Bank employees in specific areas of the Bank internally. Then completion and follow through of the Loan was easy pesi for the Bank as many of these Loans were both applied for and approved by one and the same person within minutes Australia wide.
No security checks or Tax checks of the Financials just the Veda Credit File notified through the internal Loan Application Computer System …..or checking if the person making the Application was infact a person or a …fictious person with a bunch of I.D.Cards that had been bought Overseas for a few dollars. NO CHECKS AND BALANCES none needed just simply “Approved” Simply a race for this Security ( our Home)(or someone elses home without their knowledge as the Case maybe.) to be traded on the Share Market in Americia as a Debenture.
Many many times this occurred and the Banks suddenly woke up as to their vulnebility to their Customers and their Bottom Line, when the criminal element was first found,they ran for the protection of the Rudd Government and received it but to us that are crying FOUL we were sent to the slaughter house for the protection of the Bank’s bottom line, and Share Market price.Good on you Federal Treasurer Swann.Secret is now out for all to read.
This is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God.
I have the factual evidence on this as it was to be presented to Court for my Court Case in the Equity Division of the Supreme Court Sydney NSW starting from 28th May 2012 for 7 days infront of(I thought silly me) a very very good Judge,Judge Young. I felt very safe and secure in his hands. I believed he would soon “find” in my favour and do the right thing for all the rest of us. It was not to be. 7 days in Court was decided in 7 hours in a private slaughter house.Dibbs Barker’s own Offices.
For my Court Case I had Subpeonas issued to Police, Tax Office and some others whose evidence concerning the 1st stage of the Contract would give evidence. These people would have blown wide open the Bank’s Case and the truth and of this carnage of human flesh, our families and our only asset our home would be shown up as what it really was all about. I had worked so hard to accumulate all the evidence. I was happy to go to Court. I would win so all Costs would go to the Banks.How wrong I was.
This was not to be….I had the VIP Treatment I was thrust unwillingly into a Mediation by the Bank involved and given the TOUGH TREATMENT by my own Legals as virually they were stating indirectly …go up the ramp quietly to the private slaughter house as your CASE CAN’T BE HEARD IN OPEN COURT……GO QUIETLY PATRICIA Go quietly do not struggle, die with dignity.
I knew the Court was to be packed with people and the media. I had arranged most of this with Court Case victims and interested people.The word was out concerning this Case and many Legal friends were telling me that many Law Firms would be watching my Case ….Why? Repossessions are packing the Court System in the Sydney Courts …why mine?
Was it because the TRUTH was to emerge at long last and I thought I had the Judge that would have the Balls to do this. I was a happy chappie. Not to be.
Anyway my Legals were to tell me “take the Offer from the Bank” a week before Mediation was to slaughter me…… “the result will be the same in Court and you will have the Bank’s Court Costs as well. Please take it Patricia”
“The Judge will side with the Bank He will put you in exactly the same position as the Offer from the Bank but minus the 7 day Court Costs, if you take up the Bank’s Offer now. Please take the Offer Patricia”
( so does this mean the Judge had been compromised in some way? I believe so NOW if what they were telling me is true and what transpired. There is no other way to look at this.)
I am told ….”you will lose but the financial side will be a disaster for you. You will never recover.You will be bankrupted. This Bank is now throwing SC Baristers at your Case it appears this SC Barrister has been working on this Case in the shadows for months and we have just found out that all the strength of another highly regarded Legal Firm is out to stop the Subpeona issued to the Taxation Officer that is to appear.
……This Officer can not give evidence they are putting up a massive Case to the Duty Judge.Patricia give in now you have no chance of surviving this”.
What had happened? A full Inquiry into this must occurr.
I had a winning Case….. when I finally received my documents for the Loan Application from the Bank I realised that they were grossly incorrect. I called in this Tax Officer and she would have stated I bought her to my home when I realised a serious criminal offence had occurred with my financials at the 1st stage of the Contract for the Loan,…… I had rang her up and requested her to come to my home in 2009 not 2012. This person would have stated that a serious financial problem had occurred at the 1st Stage and also pointed out to the open Court System and to the Judge that there was also a more serious problem for the whole of the Taxation System as we know it and the Banking Industry was now in a position of ALL LOANS WITH THIS PROBLEM WERE……UNSAFE IN LAW…… CONTRACT LAW. All Contracts found with this “problem” were therefore NULL and VOID but that was not to be. This would have placed all Banks in a serious position of ….where do we find these loans….a needle in an haystack…..
I had found this TAX problem in 2009, so how many loans and these serious Tax Issues had also gone unresolved in this time frame or before or after. The documents came from the Bank.
Surely this Judge would have questioned more in this area.It was in fact a crime against the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. I believed in this Judge I had read up on some on his previous Court Cases and he was a Judge that dotted his I’s and crossed his t’s. I had been impressed.
NOT ANY MORE I do not trust or have faith in any Judges anymore or the Court System in general. It has not only failed me but all those that have gone before and will surely follow. It must bring into question all Repossession or Equiry Court Decisions. Caught in the act so to speak.
Instead the Bank in question forced me unwillingly into a Mediation. I was slaughtered in a private ceremony a Mediation with a Silence Agreement that beggers belief. cruel, harsh and a totally unrealistic financial outcome. It was a blood bath for me I had endured 4 years of mental torture and hell at times and financial hardship and now I was to be knifed with a thousand knives. It happened.
BUT I had a WINNING CASE and a Judge that I had been told indirectly was going to take a “DIVE” if I went to Court.How can that be? He would side with the Banks with the evidence that would flow forth.!!!!!!!
I caved later in the day of the Mediation, because I needed to take my medical drugs prescribed by my Doctor and I could feel the change in my body and mind occurring.The anxiety and depression was starting to show and I was unable to fully understand what was going on around me without these Tablets I had left at home.The first thing my daughter realised I had begun to shout and was losing my ability to draw a full breath. I was then blundgened verbally to death by all the Legals present and the Mediator ( a Barrister) would change from a Mediator into a thrusting and probing Barrister for the other side. It was a farce. But I can’t mentioned the closed Secret Deal.A total disgrace for anyone that has studied and completed a Law Degree. I will live for another day… just.
What always troubles me is….was the Judge going to take a “Dive”? If so why and possibly for how much? He had just retired and had come back for this Case only. I had great faith in the Law and our Court System and was extremely happy that this particular Judge was put on my Case by Judge Bergin…. but now I reiterate I HAD faith…….
This will live with me forever. Was he prepared to take ” DIVE” why? For how much? His reputation is at stake here not mine. What happened secures my belief in this.. I had a winning Case.
The Law of this Land of Australia must stop this carnage TODAY.
My Case and all others that believe that the Law has become also a Victim and has been manipulated by others must be looked into again, this behaviour by all involved should not be tolerated by ordinary citizens of Australia.
All involved are on Notice I will give the rest of this information to the highest bidder as it will bring down a Government, the Banking Industry and the Law as we know it. The Banks, one could assume rightfully….. that the Banking Industry in my Case alone have been aiding and abetting a crime. BUT and I say BUT did a Judge have full knowledge of my Case and was prepared to also enter into criminal activity to procur a WIN for the Banks? Serious questions here to be answered. I stand by all that I have stated. What occurred is full proof.
I have lost a family member, a marriage of just short of 50 years and so losing my home is worth nothing to me if I break the Mediation and this outrageous Silence Agreement and financial outcome. There is no price on what has happened to me by these mongrels called the Banking Industry, Government Bodies and their legals both solicitors and Baristers.. Justice may not be enough. True justice must be seen to be done. It failed my family.
There is more…
They now need to deal with this as I will unleash even more information both here and in the Media as a whole.I have more.
If Matt’s problem is not dealt with correctly, the full truth of what this Banking Industry has been up to as I know it will rise to the surface.
Remember the old saying scum always rises to the top eventually. Well we know it has risen now, it is the time to scoop it all off and change this problem we find ourselves in.
A Royal Commission … or immediate Government action,no less because the Federal Government must be called to account for their behaviour in all of this.Compensation must be paid after these Claims are fully addressed.To start immediately.
Patricia Thirup
Hi Patricia.
Just a note to wish you well, and success.
Apologies for not knowing your story until I read up on it just now — I have been out of the country for almost 14 years, so I have been a bit out of touch with things back home.
Reading your case, I thought by any standard of justice, if you had been conned with / through, the actions of a corrupt bank employee, then it was the bank’s problem – and it was / is the bank’s responsibility and liability to correct the problem and pay the damages.
This might be of interest – bits of my story are “sprayed” around in some of my posts on Tess’ previous articles:
It started for me when I found the evidence in a murder case in Perth, and handed the evidence to police. Within months I had a judge determined to gaol me, and the Defence Department and the banks were offering me the world rights to the security component of Microsoft Windows (developed in Australia) if I would leave the country (and market the software from the USA. Neither the banks nor Defence ever intended to honour the deal – it was just a ploy to get me away.
Before another 18 months had passed, I was looking at the worst act of treason in Australia’s history – from people in Canberra, Queensland and very close to Defence. I was also trying to get paid the outstanding commissions on the software – and eventually gave the case to a group of US law firms – and one in Sydney.
Very quickly, the American lawyers came back to me and asked:
“Do you know what RICO is?”
I told them, that yes, I did (RICO is the US Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act).
They then explained – “Well, your banks, and their front company in the USA, ditto for your Defence Dept, are a bunch of crooks — they are in so many violations of RICO, that it is a wonder US law enforcement haven’t thrown the book at them. You may as well be dealing with the mafia – because that is who your banks are close to”.
It was a rather enlightening comment as to the realities of the Australian banking industry — and some of our government agencies. (One of the lawyers I consulted was a US Judge, used to handling software cases in Seattle – ie cases around copyright re Microsoft and other high profile companies — so, I think the comments / opinions were reliable).
That may not help your case, but it might give you a boost to know that US lawyers and judges think our banks are a bunch of crims, no better than the mafia — something you already know too well!
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Dear PATRICIA THIRUP, thank you for your steadfastness to stand up to defend the Truth. You are a very courageous human being.
You have contributed so much information and intelligence to this conversation in your comment. Thank you Patricia.
I recognise so much of what you say. Many of us will.
You have exposed an ugly modus operandi that every day, is unleashed in our courts.
For decades we have been conditioned to believe that questioning the Judiciary and/or lawyers was heresy. Forbidden to those of us who are th Great Unwashed.
Of course, there are wonderful and ethical human beings in this very system, but they seem to be outnumbered by those who have no compunction in displaying their contempt for ‘ ordinary ‘ people; especially those forced to represent ourselves in Court.
I frankly, find is repugnant that in a stunt designed to portray MATT NORMAN as a threat to the community – and to His Honour, that
JUSTICE JUDD would say such an outrageous thing, that is clearly offensive to the standing of his legal Brethren.
To me, he brings his profession into disrepute – and ridicule.
Dear Patricia, please contact the Banking Inquiry and ask them if you can put in a late submission – and please include these articles and comments in it.
I urge you to consider sending a letter to your Chief Justice.
After all, they can’t do anything if they don’t know about it.
I cannot imagine that our own CHIEF JUSTICE MARILYN WARREN would be
pleased if one of her State Justices said what JUSTICE JUDD
said.
It was an insult. To Justice. To the State. To Rebecca. To Matt Norman. To litigants in person. To those of us in the Gallery. To The People.
Dear MATT NORMAN, I had absolutely no idea that our CHIEF JUSTICE MARILYN WARREN was one of the Judges presiding your case! OMG.
There is a distinct conflict of interest, given the misconduct of her legal ward JUSTICE JUDD and his ludicrous lazy attendance of your case because he had a toothache, for goodness sake.
For Chief Justice to concern herself in the second instance about points of law, when in the First Instance, she has a legal and statutory obligation under Law and unto the State to oversee and administer Justice without fear or favour, and certainly without her citizens being threatened by employees and practitioners of the Court, beggars belief.
You deserve a rehearing. I am surprised that Chief Justice Marilyn Warren did not recuse herself from your case.
No one – including Marilyn Warren, is above the law.
Tess
I do not have to make a submission as I believe someone else may have done it before me.But I will as it may contradict what will already be on my File. The TRUTH will out.
I have knowledge and factual evidence to prove that the Bank’s Solicitors (not mine) were conveying all events with my Case to a post NSW State Judge of the Enviroment Court now working in the State AGO.
Infact I have his direct email. I emailed him with a little home truths and requested an appointment. I heard the Ambulance Sirens in my home some 30 k’s from his Office.I know he must have felt the pains of a heart attack coming on. He has not replied.
Why would he need to know what was happening with regards my particular Case? Also why didn’t my Solicitors ,if they knew, tell me of this behind the scences big brother. What was he doing and why did he need to know?
Something is very wrong here. I intend to give an unabridged version to a person overseas. I too, have taken my Case overseas to Great Britain in fact and I have received similar thoughts from these very Senior Legal brains as Terra Australias received from Americia.
Therefore the Legal eyes of the World are watching.
Their thoughts were that in fact NSW has possibly been taken over by a Mafia type Organisation in total when the Labor Party under Carr was in power. That these Organised Criminals have inflitrated just too many parts of our Society and Government. I was told that Australia is not just to quote Keating “the arse end of the world”.But this Labor Federal Government excrets volumes from this particular end and when the ordinary Joe Blow finds out how much hidden debt Australia is real in, we may just all need to lie down and die. Time for the truth.
Patricia Thirup
Hi Patricia,
Just expanding the picture (re overseas lawyers) slightly:
I was involved in software sales in the USA and Europe, on behalf of the Australian banks and Defence Dept – who were operating through a network of shell and front companies incorporated across Australia, Canada, the USA and Germany – those companies were involved in both fraud and treason.
The fraud, carried out against US victims, gave the US lawyers grounds to go after the US incorporated end of what was really a German-Australian multinational ring of fraudsters.
Within a few days of probing, the US lawyers came back to me with the RICO quote. They also said it could take $3 to $5 million just to pin the US (front) companies down in a US court — with a strong probability that the same companies would then try and switch jurisdiction to any one of Germany, Canada, or Australia.
A Sydney QC gave me a similar estimate – between $1 million and $3 million to get a case against them underway in an Australian court.
The US lawyers told me what I already suspected — that the guys I was up against (ie our banks and Defence Dept, and their front companies) were being protected – because they were supplying data (ie Australians’ financial and bank records) to a massive intelligence gathering operation based in Toronto, Canada.
The FBI were looking at these guys for the treason as far back as 1998 and 1999, and were ringing me in NZ fairly regularly, until NZ’s Telecom told the FBI to get stuffed, and cut off their phone and email link with me. Roughly simultaneously with the FBI being cut off, my daughter and I were hunted out of “civilisation”, and were soon living out in the open in an NZ mountain range, protected by some rather intimidating Maoris – who were very kind to us.
Maybe it was karma of a sort, or maybe it has been American revenge, but NZ’s Telecom has suffered one disastrous network crash after another, despite them spending bundles of cash to upgrade out of the problems – I kind of suspect it was the Americans inflicting the “karma” — because the treason the FBI was talking to me about, back in 1998 and 1999, came to pass in late 2001. The Telecom network crashes in NZ did not start until after that.
But getting back to overseas lawyers – my (limited) knowledge of getting justice from Britain is not encouraging — there was an arson case here (NZ), for which a guy was framed, and found guilty. The arson was paid for, and arranged with, an NZ gang – I know because, during our time “on the run” in NZ, we had contact with people from the gangs, and others who had relatives involved in the arson.
The framed “guilty party” got himself a top lawyer, and took his case, on appeal, all the way to Britain — where the blatantly false conviction was upheld. Right or wrong, justice or injustice, none of that mattered – what counted was who was blackmailing whom back home in the NZ judiciary, and in the NZ media – and those blackmail tentacles stretched all the way to London.
So the records still say he did it.
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