Since Federation, there have been great Australian prime ministers, says Rodney E. Lever. Now a woman has the chance to join the list.
SINCE THE TIME of Federation Australia has had four great Prime Ministers: Andrew Fisher, John Curtin, Ben Chifley and Gough Whitlam.
Is there anyone who could raise a rational argument against this point of view? Is there anyone who could raise a rational argument that the rest have been nonentities?
Now, for the first time in Australia’s history there comes a woman with a chance to join the list above and truly define her own plans for the nation. Ether we trust her or we don’t. On their own past record, we cannot trust the Opposition.
This is the challenge awaiting Julia Gillard in 2013. Is she up to it? She is not an Iron Lady like Margaret Thatcher of England, who bumbled her way through a series of disasters that everybody now regrets. Julia Gillard is a well-educated and determined woman, called by her own ambition to a mission that no other woman in Australian history has ever dared.
The Labor Party’s history is one of perpetual challenge. Sometimes it has seemed to be its own worst enemy. It needs a strong leader.
One such leader, 100 years ago, was a handsome young Scotsman named Andrew Fisher, who sported a walrus moustache in the fashion of his times. He had already been blooded in politics as a union official. A working coal miner from the age of 10, he worked 12-hour shifts down the shafts at night with only a lantern, after walking eight kilometres every day to and from school.
At 17, he was a union official. When his union called a strike he lost his job at the mines. Fisher, and the rest of the union leadership, were permanently blacklisted.
With no more work available, he and his brother boarded a sailing ship to Queensland in 1885. It was 30 years after my own family arrived in Queensland for similar reasons of poverty in England. From my own family background, I can understand why they chose to come here.
Queensland had separated from New South Wales in 1859, in one of the earliest moves towards federation and desperately needed a working population. The reward was a free voyage and a block of land — if you were willing to work hard and stay on. The Fisher brothers found work in the coal mines near Gympie.
Six years later, Andrew’s instinct for unionism involved him in the historic shearer’s strike of 1891. It was a clash between several thousand union members and some Chinese non-union workers who accepted conditions that the unionists compared with slavery.
One outcome was the foundation of the Australian Labor Party. Fisher became the first president of the Gympie branch and two years later was elected to the Queensland Legislative Assembly, where he worked alongside my own great-grandfather.
Like my great-grandfather, he also invested in a newspaper to promote his own career. In my ancestor’s case, it was the Townsville Daily Bulletin, of which he later became chairman of the board. Andrew Fisher’s newspaper was the Gympie Truth.
Australia’s first national election took place in 1901 and Fisher won the seat of Wide Bay, which he would continue to hold for the rest of his political career.
Australia’s first prime minister, in 1901, was a lawyer Edmund Barton, who joined the Federation movement that was first launched seriously by the venerable Henry Parkes in a famous speech at the Tenterfield School of Arts in 1889. His rousing words became the trigger for Australia to become an independent nation, no longer just a remote colony of Britain.
The first federal election did not produce a majority for any of the three parties that contested it. As head of the Protectionist Party, Barton became prime minister only with the support of the Australian Labor Party. In 1903 he resigned as prime minister to take an easier job as a judge of the High Court.
The new Australian parliament, based in Melbourne, had a succession of prime ministers over the next seven years years: Alfred Deakin (three separate short terms between 1903 and 1910), Chris Watson, George Reid and then Andrew Fisher, who also served three terms of varying length.
Australia had four different prime ministers over the first decade of its existence, the voters moving them around like the pieces on a chessboard.
In the end, it was Andrew Fisher who proved the strong man of the nation — pulling it together and achieving more that all the others could do.
He established a military and a police force, provided pensions for the first time, started construction of a transcontinental railway and launched the Royal Australian Navy, with three torpedo-firing destroyers from the US.
He introduced laws to protect the rights of crews on trading vessels, replaced the British pound with the first Australian currency and introduced tariffs to protect the burgeoning sugar and wool industries.
All this activity was carried out by Fisher while he dealt with political mayhem that saw short-term governments come and go. To give the national parliament a headquarters of its own, he introduced the Seat of Government Act. A new Federal Parliament would be created in New South Wales but, by clever compromise, roughly half way between Sydney and Melbourne. It would be decades later that Fisher’s plan became the reality of today’s Canberra.
While John Curtin, Ben Chifley and Gough Whitlam all have important places in the history of Australia and of the Labor Party, some also might argue that the longest serving Labor prime minister, Bob Hawke, should get a mention. I disqualify him simply on the ground that his ego prevented another great leader, Paul Keating, from the opportunity of truly putting his own stamp on history.
Similarly, it is hard to justify any of the leaders of the Coalition parties alongside the names I have mentioned.
Robert Menzies was Australia’s longest serving prime minister, but as a national hero he fell short when he introduced conscription in a “lottery of death” forcing hundreds of young Australian men to fight for the Americans in Vietnam. Menzies acted in the face of angry protests from families all over Australia as their sons, only because of the date of their birth, were taken away to a war than nobody wanted.
The war was an embarrassment that ended in defeat for the US and was so expensive that it emptied the gold hoard held at Fort Knox and became the trigger for the economic disasters that haunt America today. The Americans fled, their staff at the embassy in Saigon rescued at the last minute by helicopters as enemy tanks crashed through the gates.
The war had been justified to keep Communists from taking over a country that had previously been a French colony. With the French and Americans gone, Vietnam has today become a happy country, still run by Communists; nobody seems to mind.
What a waste.
This was just the first in a series of unnecessary wars designed to emphasise America’s power but, in the end, only revealing that its enormous military might had its limits against a dogged enemy.
Some of his followers may say Menzies’ decision in the face of such protests was a brave move. The young conscripts he sent to Vietnam were certainly brave and heroic. But while they were fighting and dying, Menzies went off to London to watch the cricket.
Another Liberal contender for a list of great Australian political leaders might have been John Howard, but he, too, disqualified himself by allowing Australian troops to enter the equally unnecessary and costly war in Iraq — a war based on lies and trickery.
Howard showed an insulting level of contempt for the outrage all around Australia. A million Australians were inspired to march on a hot February day in protests all around the country at Howard’s decision. Our prime minister had lied to us, as had Tony Blair and George W Bush. The voters knew the truth. Our prime minister took us for idiots who could be easily manipulated.
As heroes of the coalition governments could you really choose any other of Menzies’ successors? Harold Holt? John Gorton? Billy McMahon? Malcolm Fraser?
Only one man stood out as a non-Labor leader who would have made a fine prime minister and that was John (Black Jack) McEwen, who led the country for only a fortnight after Harold Holt drowned in the surf at Portsea in Victoria in 1967.
McEwen joined the army in World War I, but was still only 18 when the war ended. He nevertheless qualified for an ex-soldier’s land grant and established a farm near Shepparton in Victoria. Strapped for cash, he went to Melbourne and worked double shifts as a stevedore to earn money to establish his farm.
In 1934, he was elected as the Country Party member for Echuca and served in parliament for another 34 years. In 1958, he replaced Arthur Fadden as Country Party leader and began a savage tug of war with Menzies and the newspaper magnate, Frank Packer.
McEwen’s issue was tariff protection for farmers and their produce. The rest of the world was demanding free trade. He lost his battle, retired to his farm and died in 1982. He served as prime minister for only 23 days, until the Liberals elected John Gorton as their new leader.
McEwen had the strength of character, the honesty and intelligence, and the skills of oratory to have been a great leader. The Country Party was weakened for his loss and now exists in coalition only as a minor political force called the Nationals.
Politics, as we all know, is a dirty business. It is as it has always been, thoroughly exploited at every level by media organisations that care less for integrity and clarity than for sensation and disruption. The real issues of the day are buried when politicians prefer or are forced to deal in gossip and scandal and insults.
Yet the media remains central to the outcome of every election.
For 200 years, the print media has been the primary source. Publishing newspapers is incredibly expensive. Modern printing machinery costs hundreds of million of dollars to build and maintain. Vast reams of paper, manufactured from millions of trees around the world, feed the machines — an important aspect in this climate conscious age. Hundreds of trained staff are required — engineers, electricians, journalists and office workers.
Only multi-millionaires can afford to publish newspapers today and they will continue to lose money to promote their private agendas — which are often not to the benefit of the country or the people. They are prepared to spend their money, simply to make more.
In this election year, the internet and television will play a greater part than newspapers and opinion polls — which are always subject to suspicion.
For Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott, the best advice may have come from the 20th president of the United States, James Garfield, who said:
“Political issues cannot be manufactured by party leaders and cannot be evaded. The real political issues of the day declare themselves and come out of that deep well we call public opinion.”










62 Comments
Neither Abbott nor Gillard will ever be great at anything except stirring hate and bigotry.
Marilyn, the PM must have done something to earn your unyielding ire, I get that. From reading your posts, I guess it is mostly focused on how the Government is treating asylum seekers who arrive on our shores by boat.
For that, you hold Julia Gillard responsible.
My take on the situation is that any position other than the current approach would not be accepted by the Australian public. And, a Government prosecuting a different approach would loose the support of the Australian public; and office. That means you end up with Abbott, who is espousing an approach that is in keeping with the deeper feelings of Australian voters, and would have their strong support, for his policies on “illegal arrivals”.
At the moment.
So, I conclude that you are jousting at the wrong windmill.
On the issue of our response to boat people arriving to seek asylum, you have to deal first with the deep seated and probably subconscious concerns of we Australians before you hold a Prime Minister to account.
Our views might be illogically held, they might be based on unconscious assumptions, or false beliefs, but they are what determines our votes. And in this instance, when we have a hung Parliament, the Prime Minister who acts against those views does not have an office very long.
Consider Malcolm Fraser’s majority when he unilaterally decided to welcome the Vietnamese Boat People of the early 70′s. So, different to today in Canberra.
So, lets work on those fears and faulty beliefs, that most of hold, rather than take the easy out and blame the red-head, ascribe motives to her, and call her names.
There are enough here to do that. And, they are not helping.
I am the real job of work that you have in front of you, me, my neighbours, and the mates I work with and talk to each day.
The conversation I hear in my circle needs to sound like this.
“We have got to let them in. We have to get them and their families settled down in the community. We have to get them working in jobs so they are paying taxes, instead of soaking up taxpayer dollars in camps and guards, and useless national debate. We need to have their kids playing Aussie Rules with our kids, and their grandchildren talking with Aussie accents, just like the previous waves of immigrants have done. All this bullshit at the moment is the wrong way to be doing this. We are paying too much for this, and it is not doing us any good.”
So, the task is how do we move the conversation to this point.
Some thoughts come to mind. But if you need the mainstream media to communicate views and information that will better inform the public, forget it. That will not happen. The Government would be howled down and the MSM would portray any Government initiative as an attempt at brain washing Australians. Which, is probably what I am suggesting.
Lets see some articles on simply informing Australians about the ridiculously small number of boat arrivals, as a percentage of Australia’s annual immigrant intake. Lets spread the story of what people do when they arrive here, and how they settle into the community, when given a chance to do so. Lets encourage people to reach out and establish contacts with immigrants newly arrived here, so they know they have gained acceptance with some Australians at least.
Naive if you like. But, anything is better than what Canberra is coming up with, or is capable of coming up with.
I lament how different things would be now if the current Opposition had focused on the job I expected of it; seeking to amend and improve Government legislation and programmes, rather than attempting to wrest power and control from the Government which was appointed in accordance with the Constitution and law of Australia. They deserve to be condemned for that failure to perform for me.
No list can possibly be complete without including the great Robert Menzies.
These days the LNP and their acid spitting support base venerate Hawke and Keating, but only to attack Julia Gillard as hopeless. While Julia Gillard may not have the vision and charisma of say a Hawke or Whitlam, or the compassion for asylum seekers of a Fraser, she will be remembered positively for at least working effectively within a hung Parliament and succeeding in pushing through big ticket economic, infrastructure and social welfare programs, despite the very obvious and overt sabotaging efforts of a childish Opposition and an incredibly hostile mainstream media.
Rudd may be remembered as a visionary and the one who finally apologised to the Stolen Generation. But, sadly, he will also be remembered for being a workplace bully, the one who dropped the ball on fighting the climate change deniers, and as a media leaking and sabotaging element within a beleaguered Minority Labor Government.
Howard, is venerated by the moronic regressive conservative movement as the greatest PM ever. Much like Hitler is venerated by skinhead neo-Nazis dickheads around the world. In reality Howard squandered the mining boom on corporate and middleclass welfare, took us to an illegal war and fully endorsed the principle of pre-emptive strikes, called himself Bush’s deputy sheriff of our regions, lied through his teeth on just about everything, gave us SerfChoices, subsumed the Pauline Hanson agenda after lettings his thug, Abbott, contrive her illegal jailing and for creating a them and us culture by engaging in union bashing, Aboriginal bashing, intellectual elite bashing, social welfare recipient bashing, David Hicks bashing, Dr Haneef bashing, multi-culturism bashing, Muslim bashing, and more overtly (e.g. the children overboard lie) asylum seeker bashing. He and his MSM mates created deep divisions in this country which will take decades to heal.
As for Abbott, the self-proclaimed political lovechild of Howard and Bronwyn Bishop, the less said the better.
I have experienced from Menzies onwards and I would have to disqualify all non Labor PMs due to not governing for all Australians. The LNP in its various incarnations have always been concerned mostly with being anti Labor and have always been beholden to big business. Fraser redeemed himself slightly with his attitudes to multi culturalism and Vietnamese refugees.
Too much of the article wasted on Black Jack. My God the Nationals (Country Party) have always been agrarian fascists eager to get their filthy mitts on the public purse to the exclusion of all others.
I have the feeling that Julia might be seen in positive terms in the future. She has taken the Labor Party a little too far to the right in some areas but she has been a solid performer in this horrible hung parliament. (Made horrible by that turd Abbott and his mates.) I do however, love the way she makes Tones look like the ‘f’ wit he is during Parliamentary Question Time.
For mine though, Hawke and Keating are stand outs for intellect and achievement. Curtin a close bronze for tireless wartime effort.
I agree Fraser let the Vietnamese refugees into this country but you need to understand the main reason behind this – We were over there blowing the joint up. Australia had to change the white ensign on the navy ships due to the UK not being involved. Australia had a responsibility to take these refugees in the first place. He may have other reasons, who knows? but I doubt it was from the kindness of his heart as a first instance.
Thia article must of been written with a closed eye to the realities of the current and past political landscape? I would not left out either Hawke or Keating, we can agree there has been no great LNP leaders, Howard played to our fears and ignorance and to our shame was rewarded.
Now we have Abbott playing to those same fears this time without a war to drag us in and force us to support our troops as we so readily do. Those that bemoan Julia Gillard neither understand or are paying attention once again to the political landscape, we have a minority government and a rapid MSM that has decided it knows best how and who to run the country, could Abbott of handled what we have now? Not now or ever, there have been compromise, mistakes, leaks, a rapid press, conspiracy, lies, smear and innuendo’s the likes we’ve not seen since Gough and then there is the states working and conspiring with police to time for maximum cause and effect and mining royalties also being used to undermine the government, yet still she has held and delivered good reform and has led us well, we have it good here better than most, there is plenty more I’d like to see yet understanding what we have, I also understand it’s unlikely to happen.
Had we not experienced a second downturn and China not shut down demand, and states raising royalties then the surplus would have been achieved easily.
The constant moaning of government borrowing ignore the years of Howard avoiding maintaining and building infrastructure the creation of welfare for all and has and will continue to haunt both parties. What we need people to understand is to have a higher standard of living for all, that there will never be rivers of money because it is being spent where it’s needed. having billions in the black and being homeless, jobless, hungry, feels exactly the same when we are in the red homeless, Jobless and hungry, so working to provide a higher standard of living costs money and the government should never have high amounts of reserve because it is either taking to much or not spending to the needs of the people hence the eternal balancing act.
The greatest reduction in crime has been proven to be raising standards of living. 23million Australians will never compete with India, China or the US, you can lower our wages and conditions to a bowl of rice we still will not compete, we will on the other hand compete if we spend and spend big on education health and infrastructure now and we will develop and specialize in new technologies that we will sell to the rest of the world, we certainly wont compete by stripping wages and conditions, should we ever need an example you just need look to the US. My apologies for digressing I just felt Ms Gillard is certainly being under valued.
thanks for that, was eye opening. i didn’t realise vietnam was still a communist country, probably because we don’t hear of terrible things happening and i know people are comfortable to holiday there. i guess when vietnam refuses to deal with the west on the wests terms and get hit with sanctions til they give in, THEN the people will be reduced to paupers and the usual mob can point and say communism doesn’t work.
not that i think a one party government is good. one party is probably more likely to go corrupt than several. but it has one positive over multiparty democracies, they can simply say what they stand for and do it. in democracies, the parties try to work out what will get votes, thus changing their values over time and confusing/angering us.
another thing i’d leave hawke and keating out for is because they started the quick money privatisation binge. what’s the commbank make each year? 6 billion? that could’ve been 3 billion revenue under government control with job security, decent conditions guaranteed for 1000′s of australians and better service, less fees for millions of australian customers.
Agree with lever’s choices for the same reasons.
Paul Keating had the ability and intellect to be one of the greatest if his career hadn’t been cut short by an intense and vicious media campaign that was possibly worse than the one directed at Gillard.
“Arrogant”- the world preceded his name at every opportunity until shoppers interviewed would state the claim but could never give a reason why.
Howard would rate as one of the worst and most divisive and nastiest PMs of all time with a blind ambition to serve as long as Menzies (who kept Australia in the 1950s until Gough dragged us into the present).
Julia Gillard deserves credit for having stared down another vicious and nasty campaign, particularly as a woman, and introducing a raft of good policies.
And the media is at it again : never putting the blow torch to Abbott’s stomach as a would-be PM and repeating new mantras :”the most successful Opposition leader ever”..over and over as if it is true or means something.
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I hope BedfordD’s co-worker sentiments are widely shared as our treatment of refugees by both parties is woeful but a legacy of that scoundrel John Howard who the media also ‘worshipped’ for his ability to win elections.
Thankfully the digital age will consign the many hacks who have sold their souls, to the sidelines where they can do no damage- as it has my great pal from News Ltd (who was harmless-not a political writer) who grabbed redundancy 2 years ago and is now so much happier he says, driving a taxi and out of that Temple Of Hate as he calls it.
I agree with those who support the present Government ,those that attack the current Prime Minister do so because it is easy , I dont agree in comparing past and present Governments and Prime Ministers ,they each had their flaws but what I will say is that there has not been the attack of the kind that is at our current Prime Minister, it is to her credit that she has produced stable government with the help of the Greens and all other independents,I dont think that would have been achieved by past Governments
Ron,
To show you what I can get through, I re-post the following. Unfortunately, it was a bit off topic and got no comments http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4514492.html#comments
13 Feb 2013 8:50:24am
James Adelaide
Greg, it feels like a recession because the media tells us so.
Labour announces a policy. ABC radio reports ‘The Federal opposition says’
Labour gains AAA rating from all three agencies: Media consistently fail to recall it when the opposition bags the economy is.
Labour gains international award for Treasurer: Media denigrates the award and the awarders
Coalition statements, ranging from sight exaggeration to outright porkies are never challenged by the Media. This is enforced by sanctions upon individual journalists. Ask Leigh Sales: transferred to the USA for asking impertinent questions.
And it is not just in politics that the media fails: we all remember ‘gold in the Pool’ at the Olympics. The media ran with that story for a full two days after it detached from reality. They really do not look outside their own narratives.
Added to this professional sloppy-ness is the will of Rupert Murdoch. MurdochWorld ™ dominates the Australian news, not just because it owns 70% of the papers, but because the TV and Radio still use the papers to set their talking points for the day. When this does not work, they bully: ABC and Fairfax had to cover the AWU ‘scandal’a. Really, six months constant media slather, and no killer document?
In MurdochWorld ™, we are in recession, are groaning under debt, enslaved by that foul, unmarried, childless, godless, communist WOMAN, are crying to be free of the shackles of Labor, are eagerly awaiting the New Dawn of Abbott Perfectionism, the election is already lost for the Government, the Labour party will be wiped out for a generation. Shouting and personal attacks are obligatory, facts are inconvenient, to be sorted to find the ‘right’ ones.
In the internet, however, journalism still exists. The scandals hounding the Federal government are changing as the evidence is examined, slowly turning round to point at the Federal opposition: The ‘Slipper affair’ (involving a LNP MP) is now ‘Ashbygate (and Brough) (Independent Australia).
The ‘Thompson Affair’ has been recognised as ‘Jacksonville’ for the last six months, ever since Peter Wicks pointed out that the credit card slip mis-pelled the MP’s name, and was coded ‘rejected’ (Wixxyleaks).
In the MSM, we were told that Gillard had acquired glasses over summer, but we were not told the contents of the 45 minute speech (I heard it on radio), where she laid out her plans for her government.
In the internet, we were told that, when speaking to the press club, Abbott was sporting a fake tan, his brow wrinkles has gone (botox?), and he was wearing white makeup around the eyes. If you do not believe me, google any photo from last year and compare it now … (IA)
Either I live in an ‘internet bubble’, or the inhabitants of MurdochWorld ™ live in a ‘Fox News’ bubble..
As Alan Austin noted yesterday http://www.abc.
End of re-post
They lost the last sentence:
‘ As Alan Austin noted yesterday http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4511644.html, we find out how many of each on election day. ‘
This can be seen as the dreaded removal of links (which is often alleged), they usually do not remove links to fairfax…
Well said Ozbunyip. Whilst I don’t agree with everything enunciated, as I see it, you’re close to the mark. But then, the fact we do not agree completely, I see as a wonderful thing and a powerful thing that makes us as Australians, stronger, more adaptable, fleet of foot, a fast and patient hunter of truth and justice, for the people that are whom make this Nation.
Our walk through life changes us all. No one is perfect, but some grow into great people, whilst some grow into deplorable people. Our choices matter.
The greatest people give their lives in the ultimate sacrifice to those, the people they have never met, but in the interests of their well being and making sure that fairness, equality and justice is there to protect them from hate, war and prejudice, making sure they have protection from the elements, a morsel of sustenance and their needs (not wants) in having a chance to achieve their dreams through their dedication to their goals. Such is the inspiration that inspires greatness to wellspring from those who experience what it is to be privileged to have such trust bestowed upon them. Yet, some grow into great people, whilst some grow into deplorable people. Such is the journey of life and the choices we make and those imposed upon us.
No one can be properly considered in judgement till their story is complete. As some wise words from the past, and I am sure there are many, many I have not heard. But one I hold dear is “Judge not, lest you be judged in equal measure”. In that, like most of us, I fail, but it does make me strive harder to attain that which I have failed to achieve.
But of the past Prime Ministers of our Nation, regardless of the politics and their leanings or priorities, one shone out as a beacon to what is means to sacrifice it all for those he never met, but shared a Commonwealth of dreams with, his family called Australia. A family made of bad, good, deplorable and outstanding members. Some smart, some not, some lazy and some just all round hard selfless workers. He worked tirelessly, to see that they could continue to dream of achieving all they could be, together.
Standing up with far more powerful fellow Leaders of Nations, in defiance at times, in order to protect his own, whilst still working with them in the goal of the safety for our heritage of hopes, no matter how he got there and the mistakes made along on the way, no matter if he achieved or did not, he worked and worked for us.
I know others will differ in choice, for different reasons, but that we can respect our brothers and sisters other choices, is a rare wonder to behold in history’s pages. I see John Curtin, whose tireless sacrifice in a time of our great need, sacrificed all that he was, to see his fellow Australians on a course to safety and to be allowed to dare to dream of all they could possibly be.
I bow in gratitude, honorable brother, for your selfless sacrifice, in making that my life experience that came along after yours was long given, as many others have likewise given, to make my life a wonder to behold. Thank you, it is ever so much appreciated.
To share a wonderful page with an interesting parallel to the current day, in the history of our Nation, please go to http://john.curtin.edu.au/behindthescenes/pms/curtin.html
Thank you for this Curtin University. Much appreciated.
Thank you Rodney for an excellent article.
Also to BedfordD for the eloquent explanation to MarilynS, it would be nice if she took the advice.
Menzies a great Prime Minister? I think not. Pig Iron Bob in January 1941 buggered off to mother England for 4 months (I know it was a slow trip back then, but not that slow). Then in October 1941, Menzies couldn’t handle it and handed the nation over to John Curtin. It was only John Curtin’s insistence in February 1942 that our troops be sent home from the Middle East, when the war mongering idiot Churchill was insisting that they be sent to Burma where they would have faced Japanese capture, that we managed to field an army in PNG. Menzies rode on the back of post WW11 prosperity and did nothing.
OscarJones, I drove a taxi for 30 years, I always say it kept me off the streets, what I did learn is that the average voter is NVB (not very bright).
Taxisue, Curtin did it also like our current Prime Minister, that is governing with the help of Independents, and steered our Nation to the great things possible, through the most difficult of times.
I just hope Julia Gillard, no matter what anyone thinks of her leadership, does not have to work into a premature grave before she is respected for achieving what she has, for better or worse, but for what she believes is for the good future of her Nation.
WRT the MRRT raised limited $$$ in part because the states were able to raise their royalties thus reducing the MRRT take.
Is this being seen as Gillard incompetence? Presumably legislation will be introduced to fix this.
Does Bedford know anything though or are he and his mates pissing in the wind of sheer ignorance.
Yes asylum seekers should be living in the community as they have the exact same legal rights in this country as anyone else and that is what should be remembered.
AS to the abuse of their rights being started by Howard that is simply not true.
It was the supposed left of the ALP under Hand and Bolkus who started the present day filth to deny status to a few hundred Cambodians because Gareth thought he had brokered a peace deal.
It was the ALP who started the prisons, it was the ALP who used to fly the Cambodians and Chinese all over Australia to deny them their legal rights over 20 years ago, it was Bob Hawke who first whined about the so-called queue jumping, it was Nick Bolkus as AG who wrote and pssed the repulsive Al Kateb that was allowed by the high court, it was Bolkus who wrote the laws making inmates pay for their own illegal prisons, it was Bolkus who turned the prisons into into legal black holes by denying all rights and stripping out the original time frame of 9 months.
It has been the ALP driving the racist bigotry all along so do not fucking lecture me to shut up ever again.
And Gillard is loathsome on so many issues – torturing single parents, refugees, gays and lesbians, aborigines.
Tell me one socially progressive policy that Gillard has ever really pushed on a point of principal.
And then find one Abbott has and the well will be dry as a bone.
Gillard has always maintained that refugees must stay home, it is her that has now decreed the people who whinge about them being bludgers are right to be afraid so she will force them to be bludgers by not allowing any work rights.
And Oscar Gillard has the nastiest, most evil refugee policies ever devised.
All Menzies did was hold down the job for a long time. I cannot think of any great achievements except he was at least a genuine Liberal and to the left of John Howard.
As to how the current LNP have debased politics aided by the media, I recall being in London during the Keating years and the faux outrage in putting his arm around The Queen.
A dyed in the wool LNP member was with me and went into a fierce defense of Keating against some British conservatives who criticised him and when I later expressed surprise he said “I will only attack the PM for his policies if I disagree with them but as he is our PM by popular vote he deserves respect”.
The current LNP continue to act as thought the current PM is not legitimate.
@MarilynS Personal attacks and swearing. I wouldn’t stand for that attitude on the forum I moderate, wish IA would take a stronger stance too.
Julia Gillard does not torture gays and lesbians ; they torture themselves. And Gillard has said the party can vote on conscience unlike the LNP.
I don’t agree with her but she has a right to her belief and unlike Abbott isn’t imposing it on anyone.
Single mothers have unfairly had their payments reduced and it’s bad but not torture in a country with the best welfare system on the planet.
Aboriginals suffer from decades of neglect- putting all the blame on Gillard as you do with refugees is a denial of the reality of politics which can only be corrected by incremental steps.
Read the history of Germany and how day by day and week by week tiny little steps were taken until the psycopaths were in charge.
The only way back from the worst policies at present is step by step and taking the focus of artificially created problems.
Save your wrath for Howard’s ghastly ‘aspirationals’ in the suburbs like West Sydney were they elected a ghastly creature like Jackie Kelly and where you find heaps of immigrants who would deny others a chance to live her all so they can buy large flat screen tellys.
Take a good look at the electorate and you will see the lower middle classes are the scourge of this country and having been lifted out of poverty turn their backs on the party that got them there. They are the ones that idolized a creature like Howard. They are the ones to hate.
MaralynS may yet get her wish and see the demise of Gillard.
But if she believes that “Abbott won’t be any worse or be the same” she is living in the Dreamtime.
Abbott is led by blind ambition : when the awful Richardson said “whatever it takes” he should have been referring to Abbott.
This country will be dragged so far to the right it will take decades, if at all, to get back to the centre.
And if MaralynS thinks refugees will get any focus at all from the media under an Abbot government which will be in power at least a decade then she is in total denial.
We have a choice in September- either Labor and the battle goes on in regard to refugees etc, or the LNP when these subjects will disappear from the radar.
And that is the truth.
And this is just a sample from CANdo of what is to come under Abbott/Bernardi and the other ratbags he will promote :
Their recent articles:
* People smuggling operated from Canberra – smuggler’s family still here – on welfare and in a housing commission home?
* Foreign Minister Carr should not blame climate change for everything
* How the factional powerbrokers rule
* Northern development – about time
* Gillard govt.slanders all Aussie sports – why?
Right wing nastiness.
In 2011 my top four in last 70 years, based on a number of criteria, were Curtin, Menzies, Hawke, Gillard http://davidhortonsblog.com/2011/07/30/top-chef-in-the-bakers-dozen/. Of those I rated Gillard top, surprising myself somewhat, but I would argue even more strongly for her now.
Oh grow up Oscar. They are both dreadful but claiming the ALP on any level have any high moral ground is delusional.
In fact Australia has taken the low ground since 1938 when they went to Evian to discuss with 21 other western nations the fate of Jewish refugees – under Menzies we decided that “as we don’t have a racial problem, we are not desirous of importing one”".
Of course they were stealing aboriginal babies at the time and pretending that this was a pure white nation where terra nullius reigned.
The problem today is the complete lack of any context.
It was the ALP under Doc Evatt who helped to write the universal declaration of human rights, the current mob threw it in the bin as a waste of space and concentrated on building gulags all over the region.
My point is there is zero point in simply blaming John HOward, it has always been both major parties of racists who do these terrible things to children like Mustafa.
Please do not ever again tell me to fucking shut up and stop whining because I swear, if swearing is worse than jailing babies for life based on nothing then you teenie weenie little people need to get out more.
I also want to point out that last year showed that 340,000 Vietnamese are still refugees because of communist rule, we have unaccompanied trafficked Vietnamese children here as young as 7 who have been jailed all over the country for the past 2.5 years.
@MarilynS Personal attacks and swearing again. We’re not saying swearing is worse than anything but I assume IA holds itself to a higher standard than having people swear constantly.
Please shut up with your off-topicness please.
@MarilynS I also find it amusing that you tell people to grow up when you can’t stop swearing.
The nastiest, most evil policies ever devised. Marilyn, for shame. Not only is that claim untestable, it ignores policies that involve shooting people dead, which as yet I haven’t seen Gillard talking about.
On topic, the best prime minister in my lifetime was Keating, by far the most intelligent and looking beyond image issues, actually one of the fairest.
He certainly had the arrogance to be smarter than the people that he served, and to speak to the Australian public truthfully about budgetary, international and social realities, something Howard never did.
I think that when history gets written Keating will be a high mark of principled and erudite leadership. His way with words got him in trouble but I reckon he was the funniest Prime Minister since Whitlam.
Which reminds me of the best thing Whitlam ever said, which was in response to a blustering Country Party member, who in Parliament called out “I am a Country member”. Whitlam’s reply – “I remember”.
MarilynS, a comment in it’s place and time and in it’s correct thread.
Whilst I do agree with your messages, please adhere to the read subject and the topic of the conversation.
I am sure you would not want your aircraft, en-route to your expected destination, to be hijacked and diverted by a person, or persons, for a differing purpose of your intentions of you being on the plane. Then only to find yourself dealing with people screaming all around you, being in a place they do not wish to be and trying, somehow, to get back on track to the expected place they intended in the first place.
This is what you are doing in diverting everything to your prime motivated concerns, as humane as they are. Please do desist and we will gladly receive your information with the gravity due to their importance, where relevantly on topic.
Leave the foul name calling to those less civilized. Respect the rights of those with a different view, for it takes everyone’s views, without always knowing why they think that way, to foster care and justice, so we can make our Democracy work as well as it is allowed to.
Much appreciated, Marilyn. And smile, as frustrating as it is, you are being a voice and candle in a windy darkness. Don’t let the message become a distraction that becomes ignored by those who would be your allies to your goals.
http://sarah-hanson-young.greensmps.org.au/content/media-releases/picture-despair-images-manus-island
Proof of Gillard’s great leadership.
Anyone else want to whinge about me and not this horror show she has deliberately created?
And techbris, it is in the right place. WE are talking about great PM’s and some are trying to claim Gillard is a great PM when she is just a racist bigot committing crimes in our names – we have already paid $90 million for staff to be on Manus and Nauru to do nothing but create a living hell for innocent people.
The whole thing goes to Gillard’s judgement over cutting Thomson loose over unproven claims and making his life hell, cutting Slipper loose over a political fit up and never once apologising.
It goes to the ALP letting Brandis set the agenda to torment David Hicks over money from his book, it goes to no compensation for the stolen generations, it goes to Gillard not wanting to increase pensions for some and cutting it drastically for others.
A leader would not tell the public that it is fine to pick on these groups of human beings for sport, a leader would do whatever it took to be human and humane.
So the treatment of refugees by Gillard which is worse than Howards, goes to the whole character of a racist.
It is about “Greatest Prime Ministers” yes, but does that mean we have to hear the same vilification methodology we get from MSM/ABC, or can we be different and utilize achievement instead to try to press the case.
I’m tired of everyone vilifying everyone. It tears down what we can be instead of building and edifying what we can possibly become. Which holds a brighter possibility for everyone?
I enjoy this site except for the defamatory rantings of the Gillard hater.
1. Whitlam.
2. Space
Is this very valuable site to be plundered by mono-maniacal obsession; which cranks up the moral equivalence which MSM depend on?
We have ideas to share; work to do. Abuse closes down the potential. Is this site’s wrangling with this completely unnecessary dissension to be the lasting memory?
Labor are not perfect; but they are far better than the alternative. Anyone who wishes Abbott on us all, as the means of vengeance against Gillard, has no practical sense of how to argue for the rights of those deemed to be represented, and no regard for the wider consequences. And a derelict sense of fairness.
It reminds of the bloodyminded Nader supporters in 2000, who argued Gore was no better than Bush; and that any consequences were worth their impractical campaign. The craziest of them still say that. They are proud of effectively electing Bush. They show that they were never seriously interested in positive social change, but just playing their sanctimonious version of ferocious tribalism. It’s as if total destruction is the only course to renewal. Their aspirations read like U.S. military aims. The destruction is, of course, someone else’s problem.
Add to that here, the abusive intolerance from this source; who when riled – so often – respects no one who does not fully agree.
It is tiresome. It is deterring. Something needs to be done about it.
All posts should relate, in some way, directly to the article.
And all outright abuse of other contributors banned.
Otherwise this place is just another gabfest stuck to its own little corner; without influence beyond it; reading like another nutters’ cloister to readers who happen upon it.
Influence is surely what we are after,(and what we were getting). Who will recommend to others a site which becomes bogged in a recurrent gratuitous invective against other contributors?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-13/dfat-was-aware-of-australian27s-detention-in-israel/4517074
Why do we tolerate the spivs and liars though? An Australian is disappeared in Israel, DFAT knew and said nothing and this was under the ALP.
WE don’t have great PM’s, there is no such thing as a constitutional PM anyway.
The last great speech given in this country was Rudd’s apology 5 years ago today.
Hearing two recent migrants in parliamentary parties today deigning to recognise people who were here long before they got off the boats is depraved and patronising in the extreme but they are too dumb to even notice,
Neither leader is worth a pinch of salt, they are twins in mind and body and soul.
I am sick to death of partisans claiming otherwise.
And MH, why do you think it is rational to disagree that we are breaking the law and torturing innocent people at vast expense? If it was not true I would not point it out.
NO wonder I swear.
But really you precious little flowers is you think me swearing is more offensive that torture well you have really led sheltered little lives haven’t you.
When one can no longer reason, then what is the point. I am gone.
Another interesting article from IA. I agree with all the nominations, and I believe PM Gillard should join them, I regret that we can’t have Keating as well! heavens to betsy and murgatroid,do I miss him? I love the man with his perfect imperfections, humour,intelligence and wit. We need him now!!
MarilynS your a bigot yourself,one track mind….
Marilyn!!! I swear…and I love you!!!!
Curtin & Keating for my two bobs worth. Down with the fascists!!!!
Right – where were we. Australian PMs who have made a difference for the better by establishing modern, forward-thinking policies of their time which benefit most Australians. Mr Lever is on my wave-length and I do regret Paul Keating did not have the opportunity to claim he was behind major changes which provided strong economic foundations as well as pushing societal changes which have happened later rather than sooner because of the Howard years. I hope exceptional PM Julia Gillard will have the chance our Keating lost, that is, to shift the ground in many innovative ways so our children will have a future to participate in and enjoy. I am so impressed by Julia Gillard on every level right now it will be a sad day if she does not have the mandate to put strong policy into place which will benefit the many rather than the few and that includes our asylum seekers fleeing the ruins of war. Wars the LNP have always ignorantly embraced.
Yep Rodney another interesting & thought provoking article, thanks mate! Reckon there are many good comments to this article that have intelligent points of view.
Personally I really admire Curtin, Chifley, Whitlam & Keating. I also admire Gillard for various reasons particularly her tenacity, resolve & toughness.
Nelson Mandela reckons it is impossible in politics to be untarnished because no one can be perfect, address every wrong & get everything right, compromise is a necessity & the shear complexity of our societies & competing interests spoil any chance at political purity. Mandela would know better than me that’s for sure.
For Gillard to join my list of greatest PMs she would firstly have to have incredible luck to defeat Abbott & his fascist hordes. She would then have to have a clear majority in parliament to implement her program. Next she would actually have to have a united party behind her really positively assisting in policy, advice & the political management of the ALP & the country. And Finally she would have to have the MSM/ABC reporting the facts, not lies & propaganda on behalf of the nazi LNP.
In any event my view is she will be remembered well & history will treat her much more kindly than at present. The first female PM will be remembered for among other things the tax on carbon, the NDIS, Gonsky, health reform, the NBN, taxing profits of the robber mining barons, defeating big tobacco, her misogynist speech & for standing up to the most sustained, personal, cowardly & untrue attacks upon her & staring down the lying nasty fascist Abbott & his rich corrupt elite masters.
@MarilynS Please shut up with your personal attacks.
You have a choice Marylin S Gillard or Abbott that’s it, that’s who it will be, now with all you’ve said what would Abbott do that was better? As long as there is only two party’s then we will always have to choose between the lesser of two evils. The Greens have a long way to go, and with the LNP and the ALP working together to bring down any party that dare challenge them i.e One Nation. So until such time then I’ll take Gillard as the safer option as apposed to Abbott, when we have a different option then I’ll look at them. And here’s the thing that should really irk you Marylin S. This so called atrocities you go on about, I mean lets be real it’s what the majority of Australians want and both Abbott and Gillard reflect this, if we the people were outraged by it then it wouldn’t be, so look to the people and take aim with them first. I can think of better ways in which to deal with immigration I’d offer country towns infrastructure if they put their hand up to take immigrants then as part of the deal immigrants would have to stay, live and work in that community for a min of say 5 years, this would address detention centers help stop our towns from dying allow for greater ease in fitting in, as opposed to bringing them into major cities which already have burdening infrastructure, where they then congregate in the suburbs, where it then becomes different to those living there and so they move out which then leaves us with mini countries within our country and less desire to fit in and become no go areas to current Australians. which is what really causes the conflict to why immigration is not embraced. Even new immigrants don’t want open slather on immigration all are well aware of the damage unfettered immigration can do. BTW the Greens had a chance to make the lot of the boat people better they opted to do nothing to stand by their beliefs… Kudos to them, what they should of done was work to better the lot of boat people, in the hope the next time around they could of pushed again to improve their lot, instead they failed at politics and the result was no improvement what so ever.
Apologizing is just words and words are cheap and it’s weird you think Kevin Rudd’s apology speech to Indigenous folk and the abused kids from the UK did anything except raise expectations but deliver in the end, more disappointment.
Kevin dropped the ball and was a disaster. The only good thing he did was get rid of Howard but his time was up anyway.
He also appointed Robert MccLelland who had the power to rein on the AFP and ASIO and break their stranglehold yet not only promoted the vile creatures who acted illegally, but allowed others who broke the law to retire on full pensions when they should have been prosecuted.
Rudd & Mcclelland entrenched the power of a corrupt AFP who are no friend of refugees.
And even now the right wing McLelland white ants the party that assisted he and his father into Parliament.
You only get 2 choices, Gillard or Abbott. They are the facts.
We put up them just as you do because you and we have no power to do otherwise apart from taking to the streets in a revolution and that isn’t going to happen.
You should opt out all together because all you are doing is shouting into the wind, assuming others are ignorant to the facts when it’s the opposite. You are dictatorial and in the end, and act like a classic roll as you divert every article back to you.
It’s like white noise and if I didn’t know better I would think it’s a deliberate attempt to derail.
@J.Fraser I don’t approve of posts like that either.
I’d have to go for Keating, but have to say, I was involved in the Whitlam “Its Time” campaign, and Gough will always have a special place.
He created more action in his first couple of elected days, than most PMs will in their careers
Sorry MarilynS, I think, given a bit of clear air, Gillard could be way up there
MarilynS you sure are right about Abbott biggest bigot i have ever seen
I think Jesus would weep if he had to read these responses.
You accuse people of being juvenile MaralynS but you don’t seem to comprehend that other posters commenting on a government policy they may approve of is not a blanket endorsement for everything Julia Gillard stands for.
Your hate for the ALP is not logical. It’s based on a bad decision that affected you personally. Although your comment sounds like a bloody good moan to me for being forced off the government drip.
Far from being an ‘old fart’ I’ve been up on the top and been down and out in the USA, UK and Australia.
I guarantee I’ve lived more lives and been through frigging hard times than you have ever dreamed of in frigging provincial Adelaide and I can assure you, living in Australia is like winning the lottery- for everyone.
When you have lived for 2 months on the streets of New York City after your life has collapsed around you, when people throw rubbish at you and accuse you of being a bum and it’s your own fault you are hungry and homeless, you begin to see Australian politics in a different light.
I’ve spent years recovering from horrible decisions made by governments and politicians that have resulted in horror for me. I spent years working with miners thrown out of their jobs in the UK by Thatcher and been on picket lines and tended to wounds of miner’s wives when their head was split open by a police truncheon.
Their lives and their children’s lives were a nightmare compared to yours. You live in a paradise by comparison and always have and always will.
How bloody dare you imply that others are ignorant of the horrors of government decisions.
(and make the most of it because today’s tough as nails UK and USA are Abbott and his right wing loonies blueprint for Australia)
And you don’t bloody speak for all Aboriginals- certainly not the ones I know who don’t give a stuff about Kevin Rudd or an apology and why would they?
Their lives didn’t change one iota. It’s the same today as it was in 2008 and the same as it was in 1998- endless harrasment of poverty and vile coppers who pick on them and yet you believe a bloody speech in a town like Canberra to a bunch of chosen Aboriginals and official and politicians actually changed their lives. What a joke.
I think you are a troll for Kevin Rudd supporters. You never have a bad word to say about him.
I’m sure that if a cooking recipe article appeared on this site promoting healthy eating MarilynS would find some way to blather and deemonise Julia Gillard.
‘Termite Tilly’ is destroying this site with her constant one issue theme.
“And MH, why do you think it is rational to disagree that we are breaking the law and torturing innocent people at vast expense? If it was not true I would not point it out.”
I must admit that it is simply impossible for me to stop beating my wife. But could you stop asking bloody silly, insulting, presumptuous questions? If you don’t mind?
What is done with refugees is very wrong. I never said it was right. I have written and spoken often against the refugee policies of Labor and the fascists.
I do not need to be harangued by you.
You are wasting your time telling me. And imagining me as an opponent on that issue will help refugees not at all. To whom are you pointing this out; and how are you aiding the refugee cause?
This site is littered by such responses of yours, fuelled by your imagination, an eagerness to fashion enemies and confect enmity; an inclination to punish someone, anyone; abuse or belittle them: e.g. the “sheltered lives” crack, the attack on Oscar Jones. I couldn’t care less about your swearing. But I am concerned about your gratuitous abuse, and presumption that you need to lecture anyone who wants the site available for discussion, not indiscriminate invective.
I oppose your incessant presumption to lecture – and abuse – people, who do not disagree on the basic points of the refugee issue.
You have been kicked off other sites. I am asking you as another contributor to confine yourself to the topics at hand; and allow us to discuss a range of important issues without having to wade through your disorienting and insulting contributions.
Your posts are so often not relevant, and you try to cover for that with intemperate and reactive claims to a privilege that no one else would dare. If you will not shut up, you should be shut out. You are pillaging this site.
I look forward to reading Oscar’s posts; but now he is reduced by your personal insults to defending himself at a personal level. He should not have to. I object that he is forced to do this, after your abuse. Unless this site is responsibly managed, everything will sink to your level. You are welcome to your supporters. But a site which consists of people who agree with you, on your terms of punitive abuse, is a delusory playground for the socially useless; at best. The tone you set is identical to the many sites run by and for right-wing ratbags, after war wherever they can imagine it justified.
I think perhaps it might be a useful idea to simply ignore Marilyn’s rants where they are unwarranted. I wonder if others are baiting her by responding.
I think Marilyn’s position is rather sad, in that she clearly can’t enjoy any aspect of life while she knows refugees are in sub standard conditions.
I’ve seen this before in my work in youth services, where those that have dedicated themselves to a cause or group begin to feel that they are the only authoritative voice in the issue.
They are doing the hard yards and fuck anyone who has a different view, or even wants to while away precious time with a lighthearted discussion about prime ministers. The blinkers are on.
If you think it frustrating here on IA imagine those that find themselves at a dinner party with Marilyn talking about the latest movie or what their kids said on the way home from school.
If nothing else is relevant or interesting Marilyn, what quality of life are you hoping for refugees to come to when they are released? One where they can enjoy the pleasant minutia of our mostly happy lives here in Australia. Would you truly have it that we all become obsessed with an insolvable problem to the point of abandoning the brief moments of joy afforded us by our short life on earth?
I beg you save yourself Marilyn. Give yourself the week off, go see Silver Lining Playbook, meet for coffee with a friend and talk about their family, read some fiction. You will find that beauty and truth exists outside your paradigm.
And for Christ’s sake get some perspective on Gillard. She is far from perfect, but hysterical accusations weaken rather than strengthen your cause. I suspect you were deeply disappointed that she turned out to be no better than previous prime ministers, but she is certainly no worse.
I’m with Rastus all the way (or most of it) but for any of the achievements of the 43rd Parliament to be remembered well by history they will have to withstand the likely depredations of the 44th and the 45th (most likely) under a rampant Abbott. I expect a policy blitzkrieg as the fantasists of the right try to get us back to 1950. I expect that History will fairly quickly bury the modest but real enough achievements of this government.
I quite like Gillard too. She is said to be a warm friendly person. I believe it. A good negotiator, a competent manager? Sure. I admire her strength and tenacity but a leader? Hardly. A great PM not a chance. I reckon those who are upset by Marilyn S’ vehemence should stop baiting her to draw it out. Her initial comment was a perfectly reasonable statement of a widely held opinion. Despite the passion that inevitably overwhelms her comments when challenged, she has here and elsewhere often shown herself to be an intelligent, compassionate commentator.
I am a newbie to this site and really enjoy reading the intelligent and reasoned comments from all.
This site is willing to discuss the relevent issues
HOWEVER
is it possible to have an open forum away from the specific articles. {so people can flame away and not distract from the original subject
This post was to discuss PMs.
It got lost in the fire
@Rastus Well said on your post at 7.03pm it puts everything in a nut shell
Gotta say really strong, reasoned & spot on posts from Oscar!!! Onya mate!!!!
Reckon too that most Australians wouldn’t know genuine adversity if they fell over it, don’t understand the place is riddled with corruption & with criminality by the rich controlling elites & nor do they seem aware of the real darkness & evil within the human species that is an essential component of the human condition.
This place is a paradise compared to just about anywhere in the world yet we have become totally self centred, racist, bigoted, mean & greedy losing sight of the idea of polis, of cooperation, civic responsiblity, generosity, community & justice & fairness which makes true quality of life. I often think of this country as a missed opportunity, for something much better but selfishness & fuck you has won out.
Most Australians are politically & socially naive, apathetic & ignorant. This will see Abbott steal the election, ensure he & LNP
will be in power at least 3 or 4 terms during which time they will act in the perfect reflection of the pack of arseholes the majority of us have become.
If you think this analysis is crap think on what JFK said namely ask not what the country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.
One thing I have learned in life Rastus, is that when things are at their best, we are at our worse. But when things are at their worse, we are at our best. Always.
[...] Now as we approach three years, and the next election, I thought it was time (also prompted by the excellent recent post by Rodney Lever on the same topic) to re-evaluate, see if my view had changed. And to spell out in more detail my [...]
I think Julia Gillard’s long list of achievements while in office will mark her out as a great PM.
It’s the big things that get remembered and mentioned in historical perspectives. The price on carbon and the NBN are 2 achievements that will stand the test of time.
She will also be remembered as Australia’s first female PM. This in itself has required great tenacity and strength. She is a great PM, IMO.
From what I’ve heard Curtin must be top of the tree. Unpretentious and dedicated, he steered Australia through the war while remaining true to his socialist roots. Most people thought he did a pretty good job and at such a time that’s saying a lot. I admired Whitlam as a visionary who would lead Australia into modernity. Utilising the duumvirate I think he got more done in two weeks than the conservatives had in two decades. I agree with the Author regarding Hawke and concur with Dr Dog. Paul Keating was without doubt the most intelligent and insightful Prime Minister in my lifetime. He was the only one who ever tried to educate the public by telling them the hard truth.
I’ve come into this debate very late, sorry. Just a couple of things to say: First, Australia’s policy towards asylum seekers is an abomination. Granted, it’s a bipartisan abomination. That says a lot about Australia (as does the excuse that Gillard shouldn’t bother with taking a moral lead on the issue because no one cares enough). I say that as a natural conservative voter, so don’t just get up poor Marilyn. Conscience, morality and ethics do not have political boundaries. Second, as someone else said, no list could be complete without Menzies. John Howard is arguable, though he lost the capacity to bridge the divide. But I’d add Keating, not because he was right (he was often wrong) but he never backed away from leadership and that’s eternally to his credit.
@8degreesoflatitude, Pig Iron Bob did nothing for this country but maintain the status quo, He was also one of our most profligate PM’s wasted so much and built so little, it was England he loved, and it showed by the amount of times he returned their, even saying once “he needed it to reinvigorate himself” That was were his heart lay, his inability to build and arm our country was also noted. Australia supported England’s war effort not the backing and equipping of our own. Howard was also a waste and earning the gong 3 times and the title of our most profligate PM by the IMF, he also built nothing, and allowed infrastructure to run down, sold 70 plus billion in public assets and left 20 billion in the kitty hardly a economic giant, “he spent like a drunken sailor” in Costello’s words, His legacy was a country addicted to welfare and handouts from the government, that will dog both parties for years to come. He also gave us the fail “never ever GST” which is great when the country was doing well, yet fails when we are not and revenue is down only adding to the current governments pressure, Neither men delivered reform, had vision or delivered opportunity to move this country forward, Howard was purely lucky to ride on the tail of the mining boom and squandered it and the true opportunity to be one of our greats, instead he stripped health, education, and left us with a skill shortage, once again hardly a great. So I say to you neither should be recognized as a great but as our worst in our history.
Oscar Jones,
I liked your outburst of the real world to Marilyn S.
It seems you have been there and I am so sad for what you have been through. I keep telling MS to put ALL her efforts into THIS Country and the homeless instead of foreigners.
That is where my heart is, the homeless.
I am so sick of her pathetic moaning.
Is it safe to come back to this thread ?.
Look : MarylinS certainly dishes it out but my real gripe is, I don’t think she realizes that on the matter of refugees, most of us are in agreement with her sentiments.