Anthropogenic climate change is real, but even if you don’t agree, putting a price on carbon makes good economic sense. David Donovan talks carbon economics.
I believe that global warming is real. Or to put that a different way, I am convinced that anthropogenic (human induced) climate change is a real phenomenon and must be tackled as a matter of urgency. Furthermore, I believe putting a price on carbon is an appropriate and necessary response and a carbon tax is a good intermediate step before a trading mechanism – such as an ETS – is introduced. But beyond all that, even if you are sceptical about global warming, introducing a price on carbon is a good idea that will have positive economic benefits for every Australian, even those on low incomes, and it will provide a competitive advantage and open up cheaper funding and new sources of investment capital for Australian businesses.
That’s what I think, now let me explain why.
CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL
Firstly, anthropogenic climate change is real. Scientific projections can never be 100 per cent certain, but climate scientists are at least 90 per cent certain that global warming over the last 50 years has come about through humans pumping billions of tonnes of carbon dioxide into the Earth’s thin atmosphere. And there is no question that humans have greatly increased the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. Before the industrial revolution, the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was 280 parts per million by volume — it is now 390 ppmv. It’s going up rapidly too — in 1960 it was only 315 ppmv. And between 2000 and 2009 is rose by an average of 1.9 ppmv per year.
Some people say that because carbon dioxide is a natural gas, there is no need to worry if there is more of it in the atmosphere. Of course, CO2 is indeed a naturally occurring substance – just like cyanide or methane. As my high school chemistry teacher said, everything is poisonous in high enough concentrations.
The greenhouse effect is real and scientifically provable. It is the process by which thermal radiation from the planet’s surface is absorbed by atmospheric greenhouse gases and re-radiated in all directions. Since some of this re-radiation goes back towards the surface, energy is transferred to the surface and the lower atmosphere. As a result, the temperature there is higher than it would be if direct heating by solar radiation were the only warming mechanism.
An example of what can happen when concentrations of CO2 become too high in an atmosphere can be seen by looking at our solar system. Extending from the sun, the three inner planets of the solar system are Mercury, Venus and then Earth. Of these planets, Earth is the farthest away, with a perfect life-forming temperature of 15⁰C. Mercury is closest to the sun and has an average temperature of 167⁰C. Logically, you would expect Venus to have a temperature in between 15⁰C and 167⁰C. However, though Venus is much further away from the sun than Mercury, it is almost three times as hot at the innermost planet, with an average surface temperature of 464⁰C. The reason for this is that the Venusian atmosphere is almost all CO2, while Mercury has virtually none of the gas. Venus is a cautionary tale about what can happen with a runaway greenhouse effect — the atmosphere on Venus acts like a heat trap and it has permanent hurricanes of over 300 kilometres per hour engulfing the entire planet.
As mentioned earlier, CO2 concentrations on Earth are almost 40 per cent higher than they were before industrialisation and, if we continue on our current trajectory, they could reach three times this concentration by the end of the century. In line with this, the Earth’s climate has been observed to have warmed by 0.8⁰C. Current efforts to control climate change are aimed at trying to stabilise global warming at less than a 2⁰C change, which experts suggest should prevent many of the more calamitous effects of global warming. Whether this can be achieved would appear to depend on what action we take now and how precipitately we take it.
Of course, there are many people in society who are sceptical of or who do not believe in anthropogenic climate change. These people are encouraged in this belief by a vigorously active misinformation and smear campaign by the fossil fuel lobby that is a carbon copy (excuse the pun) of those run by the tobacco lobby during the 1960s and 1970s, when detailed scientific information began emerging about the horrendous health impacts of smoking. In fact, some of the same scientists who were once paid by Big Tobacco are now, today, being paid by Big Oil and and Big Coal to create “astro-turf” organisations designed to spread misleading information and muddy the water about climate change. With the exception of these “cash for comment” scientists, virtually no climate change sceptics have any scientific qualifications. “Lord” Christopher Monckton is a classic example of the entirely unqualified “expert” spreading wilful misinformation to counter the overwhelmingly persuasive science of climate change, even so far as alleging a vast worldwide Orwellian conspiracy by established climate scientists. There is no conspiracy.
THE ECONOMIC ARGUMENT FOR PRICING CARBON
Denying climate change is much like denying that tobacco smoking causes cancer. The science is overwhelming, yet most of us can point to someone we know who smoked a pack–a-day and somehow lived to be 90. Likewise, since the weather is unpredictable, climate change deniers will often find and be able to point to a particular statistic which helps them cast doubt upon the science, ignoring the overall trend. Intuitively, though, we all appreciate that the emission of carbon smog into the air from fossil fuels cannot possibly be beneficial to the environment, just like breathing dirty smoke into our lungs cannot possibly be good for our health. Even before the science on tobacco smoking became conclusive, the negative health effects were well appreciated by most rational people. There is undoubtedly a cost to pollution and the fact that major polluters have so far not needed to pay for such a cost is a massive market failure, since there is currently no economic advantage in not polluting.
This market failure is precisely what putting a price on carbon will help to address. Even if you don’t believe in climate change – even if you are prepared to ignore all the science or just focus on the dissenting information prepared by the fossil fuel lobby or their paid experts – there is a strong economic imperative in the Government’s new policy on climate change. Indeed, the only argument for not acting on climate change is if you believe that the world will one day, soon, decide that climate change is in fact not real and that action – including all that which has already been taken by so many countries around the world – is unnecessary.
That’s just not going to happen.
There is international agreement – even by major emitters such as the USA and China — that climate change is real and is a huge threat to the planet. Virtually every nation is looking at ways to mitigate this threat and the universally accepted method now seems to be putting a price on carbon. In the European Union, there has been an emissions trading scheme for several years and it has caused absolutely no deleterious effects to that massive economy. Indeed, the UK recently announced that it would cut its greenhouse emissions by 50 per cent by 2027 on 1990 levels and this caused barely a flutter of public interest, let alone alarm, in that country. It should also be noted that several US states have carbon taxes, similarly without destroying their economies. There is without doubt a degree of hysteria over putting a price on carbon that is not borne out by what has happened around the world in practice.
The global trend towards action on greenhouse gases is ineluctable. We can either begin to implement a scheme now, and restructure our economy in advance of the inevitable global agreement, or we can wait until we are forced to act by global pressures and sacrifice any advantage we will receive by the early transitioning of our economy to its inevitable green future.
And there will be major advantages in “carbon proofing” our economy. For one thing, limiting our reliance on oil, given the declining supply of this fossil fuel and its commensurately increasing cost, makes sound economic sense. Even without putting a price on carbon pollution, we should be taking steps to move our economy away from this source of energy. In Australia, of course, we have an abundant alternative source of energy in our vast stores of coal — where we have reserves that are estimated to last for 400 years. Coal is, however, one of the most carbon polluting forms of energy, so that only by putting a price on carbon will mining and energy companies be encouraged to invest in the research and development necessary to turn it into a “green” source of energy, such as through the carbon storage and capture processes that could potentially make coal a relatively low emissions product. But only by putting a price on carbon is this achievable because these energy and resource companies are currently the world’s worst investors in R&D — the eight biggest average a mere 0.15 per cent of revenue on R&D, although these companies are amongst the world’s most profitable businesses (B. Jaruzelski and K Dehoff, The Customer Connection: The Global Innovation 1000, Booz Allen Hamilton, New York, 2007). As far as mining and energy companies are concerned, all you need it seems are bigger drills and shovels — and they will keep thinking that unless there is an economic imperative to innovate and limit emissions. By implementing a carbon tax on the worst 1,000 polluters in Australia, innovation and carbon mitigation will be given an economic imperative.
Far better to encourage such investment now than to have the imperative placed upon us by external agents, as is likely to happen if we do not act very soon. For instance, it is highly likely that economies that have already imposed a price on carbon, such as the EU, will in the near future put a carbon tariff on imports from countries that do not price carbon so as to negate any competitive disadvantage experienced by their home-grown industries against products from irresponsible nations. Furthermore, while coal is at the moment a relatively sought after commodity worldwide, the writing is on the wall for the industry and there is no question that demand for coal will fall in the future as other nations move to limit their dependency on dirty coal-fired power stations. China, for example, is investing an incredible amount of money into research into renewables, as are many other nations around the world.
What sort of shock will our economy endure if we wait until the transition to our inevitable carbon neutral future becomes a global necessity? There is no question that renewable energy is the future for energy production in the world economy, so it makes abundant sense to act now to stimulate our domestic renewables industry so as to develop a head start, or a comparative advantage, in this burgeoning market. There is not much sense in having a quarry economy if no-one wants what you’re digging up and demand for coal is certain to fall in the future. We have a plenty of coal, but we also have plenty of sun, hot rocks, desert, wind, and tides — the energy resources of the future. We are limited only by our imagination and our willingness to act.
Some people might say, worrying about the future is all very well, but the future is far away — yet implementing a carbon tax will increase the cost of living for Australians now, in the immediate future, as soon as it comes in. And, in its zealously effective scaremongering, the Coalition has greatly encouraged this perception. As a former accountant, and one that has worked in the mining industry, I feel assured that a carbon tax, especially one set at the relatively modest level of between $20-$30 a tonne that has been widely mooted by the Government as being the likely entry-point – will have negligible or no impact on the cost of living of ordinary Australians, especially given the tax breaks the Government has presaged.
The reason for this is twofold.
Firstly, under the National Greenhouse Energy Reporting Act 2007, major Australian polluters have been required to account for their carbon emissions and report to the Government since 2008. Consequently, the future cost of compliance for any carbon tax should be negligible. In addition, the companies that have been reporting under this scheme for the last few years – which would include all of the 1,000 major polluters covered by the carbon tax – will almost certainly all have already implemented a “shadow carbon price” as part of their prudent risk management strategies. In other words, since they will have been expecting a carbon price since at least 2010 (the timing for the Rudd Government’s planned, but then scrapped, ETS) these companies will have already priced in an internal price for their carbon emissions which would feed into the prices they sell for their products. Any gains they have made since 2010 as a result of the Government not yet acting would simply be regarded by them as a windfall. This conclusion is supported by Tony Wood from the Grattan Institute who, on ABC’s 730 last night, said energy companies would have been factoring in a cost for carbon “…for 10 years at least”.
Secondly, since the cost of carbon has already been factored in and a price on carbon already passed on to consumers, at least in demand inelastic industries, the actual implementation of a carbon price should cause no increase in prices for consumers (unless, that is, particular companies decide to opportunistically price gouge customers). Indeed, since the likely carbon price will almost certainly be lower than the internal marginal cost – which, in my experience, most companies will have placed at somewhere between $40 and $60 a tonne – any lower price for carbon imposed by the Federal Government would be regarded by these polluters as a windfall in and of itself. Prices are unlikely to come down, but unless operators are unscrupulous, they should not go up. And if they do go up, the Government can mitigate any cost of living pressures through tax cuts, which will be funded through the carbon tax itself. And there should still be enough carbon tax revenue left over to fund further Government programs to find new renewable energy solutions.
Furthermore, when companies apply for funding from banks or private investors, they always need to provide detailed models forecasting their likely future profitability. And, since 2010 at least, and probably much earlier than that, these models have by necessity included a price on carbon — an inflated price, indeed, since businesses have had no way of safely determining what the Government’s response will eventually be. Therefore, a prudently inflated “shadow carbon price” has the effect of making companies appear less profitable in the future than they otherwise may seem to be if there had been certainty on a carbon price. These models have, in effect, understated the likely future earnings of Australian companies, discounting future cash flows and thereby understating the net present value of businesses. The effect of this is to make Australian businesses seem like riskier investments for banks and private investors, meaning they must pay a risk premium of a certain number of basis points above the banks’ best rate for debt capital. In other words, the lack of a carbon price causes Australian businesses to pay higher interest rates than countries that have surety about carbon pricing as well as making them comparatively less attractive as equity investments when compared against businesses from other countries that have certainty in their carbon pricing, such as European companies. This is almost certainly why most Australian businessman, including the CEO of mega mining company BHP, Tom Albanese, have been asking for action from the Government on a carbon price for some time.
By ending the uncertainty and implementing a relatively low carbon price, investment in Australian companies will be stimulated and financing costs lowered, thereby making these businesses more competitive and attractive to investors both at home and abroad. And by implementing a carbon price before moving to an emission trading scheme a floor should be able to placed on the market, thereby precluding the value of carbon falling too low to provide an incentive for investment in renewables, as has happened in Europe. In effect, counter-intuitively, implementing a carbon tax will stimulate an Australian economy that, apart from mining, is currently sitting in the doldrums waiting for the Government to remove this nagging source of sovereign risk. For the sake of our business competitiveness, the Government we must provide certainty in this area — in fact acting is already overdue as businesses have been waiting for the implementation of a price on carbon since 2010. We simply don’t have another moment to waste dithering on this important issue.
I should speak briefly about the Coalition’s “direct action” policy. In short, this policy is simply not economically feasible. It is a Clayton’s policy, as Malcolm Turnbull alluded to some weeks ago, that provides an illusion of progress while actually achieving very little. Whilst direct action on climate change might help mitigate climate change in the short term by targeting the “low hanging fruit”, or the worst sources of carbon emissions in our economy – maybe even limiting our emissions beneath the modest targets set at Kyoto, as is the Coalition’s goal — once these easy-fixes disappear and harder structural changes are required, the cost to the taxpayer would almost certainly become prohibitively expensive. Only by a market mechanism that encourages innovation, investment and responsible behaviour will the cost to consumers be able to be shared and minimised throughout the economy. A direct action, or command, mechanism is inherently inefficient. In fact, it is the sort of policy you can imagine being suggested by a socialist or a Communist command economy, not a modern liberal free-market democracy. The Coalition’s solution is not a long, or even a medium, term approach, unless they are advocating the taxpayer paying two or three times as much tax in the future than they do at present.
Climate change is real and the science is persuasive. But even if you personally don’t believe it’s real, the world is moving in only one direction — towards limiting carbon emissions via a market based approach. Direct government action on climate change is not economically sustainable beyond the short-term — only a market based approach can stimulate investment and innovation in renewable energy and encourage pollution mitigation widely throughout our society. The increase in cost of living pressures from a carbon price is not only greatly exaggerated, but almost certainly non-existent. Moreover, certainty about a carbon price will encourage investment and provide cheaper funding sources for the business community, providing a fillip for the economy as a whole. Our economy must begin to make the transition to a renewable future as soon as possible before such a future is imposed upon us to our massive financial detriment.
(David Donovan has worked as a financial accountant and finance analyst for some of the world’s major investment banks, commercial organisations and mining companies in Australia and the UK, including Merrill-Lynch, Barclays Capital, NatWest Global Markets, Mizuho, Viacom, UBS and Downer EDI Mining.)








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Dear DAVID, congratultiions to you and
your wonderful chemistry teacher for this
bookmark article that is so articulate, chokkers
with fact – and so understandable. I love it that
here you also prove that both accountancy and
scientific pursuits are not only compatible –
but when drawn together in compassionate advocacy
like this,you make a formidable case on behalf of
the Earth and those of us privileged to walk upon
it. I encourage everyone to distribute this article
to family members and friends and enemies of the
argument – and hope you also send a link to your
chemistry teacher David!
Ok, so big business has already factored the proposed carbon tax into their budgets, perhaps a few years in advance..
If they can afford to add it in now, (at the trumped up $40-$60 price) even before the tax has come into effect, how will it act as encouragement to source greener energy?
If they can absorb the tax no worries, I cant see the need for them to research any changes..
Because, Mary, the less carbon tax they pay the more profit they make.
What would make even more sense David is if all the developed western countries of the world all pitched
in and donated whatever millions of dollars are
needed to shore up equatorial forest in third
world and developing countries for designation
as National Parks. No point putting a price on
carbon if the world becomes a desert because
we clear the precious forest left on the
earth and we are living in Thunderdome.
On one hand you state that big business is asking for action on climate change, and on the other hand you tell us that non action and miss information is funded by big business. Why would they want it and not want it at the same time.
In the European Union, there has been an emissions trading scheme for several years and it has caused absolutely no deleterious effects to that massive economy
The residents of Ireland, Greece, Portugal and Spain would argue that point with you.
David M, if you are seriously arguing the economic downturn in any of those countries has anything whatsoever to do with the EU ETS, then I would suggest that you are smoking something extremely potent.
Andrew, I said the fossil fuel lobby are funding the climate change sceptics, not big business per se. Here’s some more information about the links between the fossil fuel lobby and paid sceptical scientists:
http://www.cana.net.au/sites/default/files/DoubtingAustralia.pdf
DD the polluters pay a tax and then fund R&D, we indirectly pay a tax and then get some back, this sounds like a roundabout of money and creates more public sector jobs, polluters can trade their pollution by buying carbon credits and all the while the government has no responsibilities to be accountable for how and where they spend the money, this is probably good economics but there doesn’t seem to be any real reforms for the environment, please just write an action plan with costings and time lines and present it, that would be great, and please stop talking about climate change whether or not it’s happening, we have a moral obligation to clean up our act and we all have seen ICE AGE
Putting a price on carbon, and a carbon tax in particular, provides a tangible incentive for BUSINESSES, rather than taxpayers, investing in clean energy solutions. It is also a disincentive against them polluting. It is also efficient because the burden is not borne by taxpayers. There is also no reason why Governments shouldn’t — and they should and no doubt will — make other efforts and investments in mitigating climate change. Putting a price on carbon is simply the best and most effective method to minimise climate change.
I mentioned science because some people — incredibly, I think — still doubt the science of climate change.
DD will businesses that do not pollute still pay a carbon tax because they use power from power companies that do not use renewable energy.
No, but they may pay increased costs if the major (taxed) polluters choose to pass on their increased costs from the carbon tax. Bear in mind, those polluters in competitive or demand elastic industries may not be able to pass on their costs, at least not in full. In any case, all polluters products, whatever that may be, will be more expensive and therefore less expensive than those products that are less carbon intensive. Once the intial shock of the carbon tax is absorbed, which I believe will be minimal for the reasons explained in the article, the carbon tax will provide a competitive advantage for greener products and at no added costs to consumers.
This is supported by the important report released today:
“The consistent finding from this study is that much lower cost abatement could be achieved through broad, explicitly carbon-pricing approaches, irrespective of the policy settings in competitor economies,” the independent Productivity Commission report said.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/productivity-commission-backs-carbon-pricing-20110609-1fu2j.html#ixzz1OmobkMxr
DD so the best solution for the average householder would be to build their own solar panels and install them to be a stand alone system grow their own veges, put in rain water tanks and become as self sufficient as possible, thus helping themselves and the environment. Do power companies operate in a competitive environment? I am hoping that I am not being too annoying, but it frightens me that costs for electricity could go through the roof and they simply pass the costs on, the gov. seems to be paving the way for this to happen by reducing the subsidy on solar panels.
That may be a good solution for the average householder, but the major carbon mitigation will come through the major polluters polluters pumping less carbon into the atmosphere. A carbon tax at $20 a tonne of carbon is a modest impost for energy suppliers and, as mentioned in the article, the suppliers will have already incorporated a price for carbon into their pricing and passed that onto consumers. Bear in mind, a carbon tax will not be imposed upon green energy supplies, making those products instantly more competitive and attractive to consumers. Let’s also remember that fossil fuel prices are only going to go one way in the future, with or without a carbon tax, rapidly up. Renewable sources of energy, with better technology and greater uptake, are only going to get cheaper in the future. The more money we invest in sustainable energy sources, the sooner the prices will come down. And they are already coming down if you look at the prices for solar panels and so on.
Sorry, it is just another big fat tax for the Government, with fairyfloss backing. A money making process for a broke Government.
There is no benefit in a carbon tax. There is no infutable evidence to prove it will do anything at all except fleece our wallets again.
veronica is on the ball! re. david m. dd. attacked the man. weak shot one more, the eu is a weak economy its only to stop them killing each other last 2 times they got a lot of us dead to fighting for 2000 years till now
A reply to “A carbon price makes good economic sense for all Australians”
When I recently discovered that fellow-Republican David Donovan had written an article titled “A carbon price makes good economic sense for all Australians”, I was genuinely excited. Here was an organised and cogent thinker, about to make a case for the carbon tax (as I had dared him to do several times via social media) on purely economic grounds. PURELY ECONOMIC grounds. And in the first paragraph, it seemed that David was about to deliver. Here are his words: “…even if you are sceptical about global warming, introducing a price on carbon is a good idea that will have positive economic benefits for every Australian…”.
This is important stuff, because the previous arguments rolled out by supporters of the ETS and the carbon tax have lost their two previous arguments;
a/ the rest of the world is about to commit to the same measures (no, they didn’t)
b/ a dramatic reduction in CO2 emissions over the next 50 years will lower global temperatures within the next 500 years (No it won’t)
So the ETS and carbon tax won’t cure the disease, but we should take the medicine anyway. On PURELY economic grounds.
OK, let’s see how David gets on:
David writes: “…even if you don’t agree, putting a price on carbon makes good economic sense…”
So he begins with: “… I believe that global warming is real… I believe putting a price on carbon is an appropriate and necessary response…”
FAIL. Economic argument missing.
David writes: “…it will provide a competitive advantage and open up cheaper funding and new sources of investment capital for Australian businesses. That’s what I think, now let me explain why.”
Promising, but the next line begins: “Firstly, anthropogenic climate change is real…”
FAIL. Economic argument missing.
David writes: THE ECONOMIC ARGUMENT FOR PRICING CARBON
Is supported by the sophomoric: “Denying climate change is much like denying that tobacco smoking causes cancer. The science is overwhelming…”
FAIL. Economic argument missing.
David writes: “…there is a strong economic imperative in the Government’s new policy on climate change.
In the next line he admits: “… the only argument for not acting on climate change is if you believe that the world will one day, soon, decide that climate change is in fact not real and that action – including all that which has already been taken by so many countries around the world – is unnecessary … That’s just not going to happen. There is international agreement – even by major emitters such as the USA and China — that climate change is real”.
FAIL. Economic argument missing.
And now David moves on to more elaborate, but equally unconvincing, linkages.
David writes: “We can either begin to implement a scheme now, and restructure our economy in advance of the inevitable global agreement, or we can wait until we are forced to act by global pressures and sacrifice any advantage we will receive by the early transitioning of our economy to its inevitable green future.
Hey! There’s an economic argument. Sort of. Just not a very good one. “The inevitable global agreement” is very Copenhagen, very speculative and demonstrably wrong. Right now, India, China and the US are firmly on record as favouring gentle economic adaptation over radical de-carbonisation. Without a clear and present climate emergency, there is absolutely no imperative for radical change. Another ‘economic’ argument is revealed as just another more elaborate climate claim.
But he’s not done with this pseudo-economic argument yet.
David writes: “…By implementing a carbon tax on the worst 1,000 polluters in Australia, innovation and carbon mitigation will be given an economic imperative.
Far better to encourage such investment now than to have the imperative placed upon us by external agents, as is likely to happen if we do not act very soon.”
Yes, or maybe it won’t. David uses the word “likely” as a sort of self-fulfilling prophesy fuelled by his own hope: It’s likely to happen because I say it should.
And here are some tremendous argument acrobatics:
David writes: “…”Coal is, however, one of the most carbon polluting forms of energy, so that only by putting a price on carbon will mining and energy companies be encouraged to invest in the research and development necessary to turn it into a “green” source of energy, such as through the carbon storage and capture processes that could potentially make coal a relatively low emissions product.”
And follows up with: “…”the writing is on the wall for the industry and there is no question that demand for coal will fall in the future” and “What sort of shock will our economy endure if we wait until the transition to our inevitable carbon neutral future becomes a global necessity?”
That, for the benefit of newcomers, is the rarely attempted ‘contradiction followed by a triple speculation’. Genius.
David has one last, serious stab at the economic argument.
He writes: “Australia should seek to develop a value-adding first world, rather than a “quarry”, economy” but then utterly fails to argue why a carbon tax or ETS would help Australia make that (desirable) transition, unless you count the irrefutable but off logic that if we destroy one part of the economy it must make the other bits look more successful. Classy.
And finally, he presents the Rapists’ Imperative. It is probably the most insulting argument to anyone with even a modicum of intelligence and a faint democratic impulse. The argument goes like this: All this fear and anxiety you feel while we hold this tax up to your head is your fault. Simply lie down and agree with us to tax you.
No thanks. If you need more certainly, call for an election.
Remember, the proposition of David’s essay is not whether climate change is real, it’s whether a carbon tax makes “good economic sense” DESPITE climate change.
Just for the record, I am personally a sceptic in the truest sense of the word. I am sceptical of the motives of government when facts are distorted and the science is consistently misrepresented. I sense a political, not an economic or scientific, imperative at work. I am worried that the cost of de-carbonisation is not being compared to the costs of adaptation. And I am horrified that the potential of these radical political policies for worsening hunger and poverty globally do not even seem to figure in the imagination of the left.
There is a childish but dangerous naivety to the idea that a passionate argument for the authenticity of climate change directly equals a cogent and well-evidenced economic argument.
Fortunately, David has gone a long way to prove that the economic argument for the carbon tax grinds to a halt without the engine of a climate emergency.
Thank you David. That was my point exactly.
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It is nice to have someone take so much time to respond to a piece – it shows the climate sceptics – of which Julian is a rusted on member – must be worried.
The first part of Julian’s piece has a lot of FAIL – economic argument missing in it. That’s because the first part was about the science. Sceptics like Julian and his idol Lord Monckton have been so busy sowing false science and doubt in the community that it is always disappointigly necessary to speak about the agreed science before moving on to any other part of the debate. The science of global warming has been gradually developing and gaining almost universal acceptance since the 1850s.
Firstly Julian says something about the US and China are not in favour of “radical decarbonisation” implying that this is what Australia is doing and that the US and China are not going to have a trading scheme. This is wrong, Obama is looking at introducing a cap and trade system and China says it will have an economy wide ETS by 2015. Australia’s carbon tax, of course, is far from radical decarbonisation, but a modest levy on major polluters – effectively a fine for carbon pollution. It is a modest transition that still allows polluters to pollute, but gently encourages change. The raise in CPI is estimated at a mere 0.7%. If Julian is ignorant about this, what else doesn’t he know? Probably a lot.
Julian takes exception to the economic imperative of a carbn tax, ignoring every economist since Adam Smith, who all agree producers will do everything possible to maximise profits.
It seems that Julian spends the rest of his critique being snippy and sarcastic because he has nothing of substance left to say. It isn’t a good look for a sceptic, normally they have some complete load of bollocks to throw into the mix.
Like: “tremendous argument acrobatics”, “rarely attempted ‘contradiction followed by a triple speculation”, “rapists imperative”. Really, an insult to the intelligence.
He, of course doesn’t mentionanything about carbon tariffs and the fact that unless we make the transition, the rest of thw world will force us to do it, causing shocking dislocation. He doesn’t say anything about the fact that a carbon tax is not a radical change, but a modest one deigned to put our highly carbon intensive economy – we have the highest per capita emissions IN THE WORLD – on the path to adjustment. We need to do this. Fossil fuels aren’t going to last forever anyway, so at some stage we will need to adapt, we should start now. We should have already started. Finland has had a carbon tax since 1991.
Julian gives the game away at the end – his real reason for opposition is political and personal: “I am sceptical of the motives of government”; “need more certainly, call for an election”. Julian, of course, is a staunch Liberal Party member and would like to see the Government removed.
“I am worried that the cost of de-carbonisation is not being compared to the costs of adaptation”. This is the argument that we will simply adapt to rising sea levels and less rain in our flat desert continent, that has somuch to lose by climate change. It is the hope for the best argument. The selfish argument of someone who isn’t prepared to make any sacrifices for the future of the planet and his children.
Resting your hopes that the effects of climate change won’t be too bad and we will be able to move to higher ground anyway. Perhaps we can find a cheap way to de-salinate all the extra water covering the valleys? I wouldn’t count on it though.
Thanks for your continuing correspondence David.
You made the original claim that “A carbon price makes good economic sense for all Australians” even when separated from the ‘science’ of climate change. The burden of proof falls on you as the person who made the claim in the first place. Only you know why the entire first part of the essay had nothing to do with the economics. That was your call, not mine.
In my reply, I was merely pointing out the logical gaps and weaknesses of your argument. I didn’t set myself up to prove the counter-argument. I challenge you to boil down the essence of your argument into a few logical statements. Doing so will reveal that your entire proposition is based on the self-enclosed logic that “Climate is real, therefore change in the economic fundamentals of our carbon economy is inevitable, therefore getting ahead of the curve makes economic sense”. Remove the first statement, and the entire proposition is completely deflated. Surely your sense of intellectual honesty lets you see that.
As for your personal remarks: I openly and sincerely brand myself as a sceptic in the finest, scientific tradition of scepticism. My comment about the ‘motives of government’ is something that resonates with any student of history. My default position is to distrust authority, from bishops to backbenchers. I am cautious and investigative. When there is a well-evidenced argument for something, I will embrace it.
Your argument that “A carbon price makes good economic sense for all Australians” simply falls to leap that hurdle.
I explained why the first half of the piece talked about the science of climate change, I am not going to do so again.
You didn’t expose any gaps or fallacies, but merely a bit of cheap rhetoric with a bit of hyperbole thrown in. The economic case is quite clear, I made it and you have nothing whatsoever to pull it down.
You brand yourself a fine sceptic, but you raise senseless arguments. You deny the science that is agreed with all but a handful of scientists paid for by big carbon and the mining lobby. So much for being catious and investigative, in fact you have demonstrated yourself to be credulous and easily fooled.
This old nugget from McCrann shows how little the argument has moved on in two years.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/non-think-prevails-on-climate-change-religion/story-e6frg9if-1225807117805
Here’s an excerpt:
This is not about belief in, or scepticism over, climate change, but about policy and consequence. On the one hand a policy that does exactly nothing about climate change, as defined and believed in by Rudd, Gillard, Malcolm Turnbull and co, but a policy that would have a very real, dramatic, and indeed devastating, impact on the economy and all Australians.
If this government any sense of ‘the art of the possible’, it would have adopted the NZ model and charged $ 1 per tonne, withholding any rise until our trading competitors joined, and ready to move ahead the moment they did. This would have blunted the entire economic argument from ‘my’ side of the political field.
I agree with Graham Richardson and almost every other intelligent observer that this government is dead. It will fall soon through the most common disease of governments everywhere; Arrogance and hubris. The ETS and carbon tax – rightly or wrongly – will be banished from the political agenda for a generation thanks to the political ineptitude of this government.
At another time, I will accept the challenge – if you are interested in publishing it in IA – of setting out an intelligent alternative political and fiscal strategy for addressing environmental problems far more profoundly and effectively than taxing CO2.
Julian Tol
http://www.facebook.com/juliantol
You are seriously quoting back Terry McCrann to me? Come off the grass.
Here’s some information about Terry McCrann:
‘Terry McCrann (Herald Sun columnist) [is] at the vanguard of the Murdoch media campaign against the carbon tax. Whether …. McCrann could properly be called [an] “economist” is debatable, although [he] does claim an “honours degree” in Economics from Monash University.
‘Terry McCrann claims in his bio to reach
“…a bigger audience than any columnist in Australia through papers that include The Herald Sun in Melbourne, The Daily Telegraph in Sydney and Brisbane’s Courier Mail, The Weekend Australian, and the Sunday papers.”
‘A darling of the Coalition, his columns were routinely trotted out by John Howard and Peter Costello to support their WorkChoices legislation. Now, he is especially at the vanguard of the Murdoch media’s attack on the carbon tax. Therefore, it was rather a shock to find that this highly influential figure appeared to know almost nothing about the legislation and had his facts corrected by Wright on just about every point. As an example, at one stage during the broadcast, McCrann said marginal tax rates would be increased from 33 per cent to 37 per cent. When Wright corrected him that in fact the 30 per cent rate will be going up to 33 (eventually), McCrann admitted he was confused about what the marginal tax rates are now, or where they are going to be under the changes announced on Sunday.
‘Now, it is one thing to be unbalanced or biased, but for an economics commentator to be uniformed or to deliberately misinform on these fundamental issues to justify an ideological standpoint is nothing short of dangerous. To give you a taste of McCrann’s partisan barracking, here was an earlier performance by McCrann on Sunday, on fellow Herald Sun columnist and global warming sceptic Andrew Bolt’s show the Bolt Report on Channel 10: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2To690dhHEE.
‘McCrann’s main argument, which he repeated on the Sky broadcast, was made in a column in Murdoch’s The Australian on Sunday (next to another column by Switzer) and goes as follows:
“No rational argument can be presented on the carbon tax’s behalf, and no such argument has been. To stress, not excluding Ross Garnaut’s increasingly bizarre efforts.”
‘Like Abbott, McCrann dismisses the approximately 95 per cent of Australian economists in exactly the same fashion climate change denialists dismiss the 95 per cent of climate scientists. There’s no evidence, he says — ignoring the palpable fact that there is evidence galore. He gives no reason for this dismissal, though he does point out that there are alternative views such as Garnaut’s. But, of course, they can be ignored because they’re crazy.
http://www.independentaustralia.net/2011/politics/carbon-tax-and-the-parallel-universe-of-limited-news/
McCrann!! Really? That’s your argument?
For the record, a price of $23 a tonne will not have a “real, dramatic, and indeed devastating, impact on the economy and all Australians” that is not borne out by the facts or the Treasury modelling. As someone who has worked as an accountant and financial analyst for Fortune 500 companies in many parts of the world — including such investment banks as UBS, Mizuho, Merrill-Lynch, Barclays Capital and Nat West Global Markets — believe me, I will trust my own and the Treasury Department’s evaluation of the likely (i.e. modest and beneficial) effects of a modest price on carbon (i.e. $23) rather than some bloke who is paid to write partisan politics and, as far as I know, has no practical economic knowledge whatsoever.