Twelve months ago on Monday – a day after Independent Australia celebrated its first anniversary – we broke an astonishing story about the paltry pensions and death benefits of our Defence Forces personnel.
The story was to unleash an unprecedented and moving sequence of events and a media campaign that broke through the membrane of silence in both mainstream and online media and has resulted in a record series of comments.
Contributing editor-at-large, Tess Lawrence, was, in fact, quite ill and bed-ridden when certain leaked documents came her way. She was astounded at what she read and could not believe the hypocrisy of successive governments who, whilst suckling off the imagined or otherwise image of our ‘ Diggers’ by association, in reality treated them with utter contempt.
Former Labor politician Ian McManus and acclaimed Military Cross winner Neil Weekes featured prominently in that initial article, so today we invited Neil to reflect on progress so far.
GOVERNMENT MUST STOP TREATING DIGGERS LIKE TRASH
YOU MAY RECALL that on 2 May last year, the House of Representatives unanimously recognised the unique nature of Military Service and unanimously accepted the inadequacy of the Consumer Price Index (CPI) when indexing the Military Superannuation “pension”. Unfortunately this was only a “motion” and not a Bill. Therefore it was not debated, nor was there a formal vote. Nevertheless it raised the expectations of the DFRB/DFRDB/MSBS recipients that one of their conditions of service (that their superannuation would continue to be indexed so as to maintain parity with the cost of living increases) would be restored.
This expectation had already been fuelled by promises made by the Labor Party prior to the 2007 election and by the exhortations of Labor politicians, especially Senator Kate Lundy, Dr Mike Kelly MP, Ms Annette Ellis MP, and Mr Bob McMullan MP (the Gang of Four) in their letter of 14 September 2009.
So when the Senate rejected the Defence Force Retirement and Death Benefits Amendment (Fair Indexation) Bill 2010 on 16 June 2011, the entire Defence community experienced a justified sense of betrayal by the Government. This was exacerbated by the fact that, despite all her previous posturing of unqualified support, Senator Lundy voted along party lines to defeat this Bill. To rub salt into our wounds, the Greens and Senator Xenophon also voted against the Bill.
I wrote to the Prime Minister, and other politicians, on 22 June 2011, to express my complete dismay with the Senate’s decision (where the votes were: 31 for and 31 against) and to express our sense of rejection and betrayal. I mentioned the fact that even the flawed Matthews’ Review, that had been commissioned by the Labor Government had accepted that the CPI was no longer maintaining the purchasing power of our ever-decreasing our military superannuation payments. This review stated, inter alia:
‘Recommendation 4: That, if a robust index which reflects the price inflation experience of superannuants better than the CPI becomes available in the future, the Australian Government should consider its use for indexing Australian Government civilian and military superannuation pensions.’
Minister Warren Snowdon MP and other politicians from the Labor Government argue that
“The simple answer to this question is that there is no better method of indexation available.”
It is clear, however, that acknowledges that a “better” method is warranted.
On 25 June 2011 Tess Lawrence of Independent Australia launched her first article, “DIGGERS VERSUS THE GILLARD GOVERNMENT” and our Fight for a Fair go really gained some traction. In saying this, I do not denigrate the sterling work which had already been done by the Australian Defence Service Organisations (ADSO) and the Defence Force Welfare Association.
In fact, the ADSO has taken the lead in our campaign and Ted Chitham, Ray Gibson, Peter Criss, Win Fowles, Bert Hoebee and others have done a magnificent job on our behalf. I would encourage you all to log on to the ADSO website and to register, to become a volunteer, or to make a donation. We need all the help we can get.
Also, please keep contributing to Independent Australia website as that, now, has a complete written history of what we have achieved and it’s a great medium to stay in touch with others and to express your views.
So what have we achieved in the last 12 months, noting that 16 June 2011 was the real catalyst for our campaign?
We have definitely made the current Government, and all politicians of all political persuasions, aware of our existence.
- We did have an impact on the outcome of the last (2009) Federal election, especially in the marginal seats.
- We are now a large, well-organised group with far better communications — just look at the monthly reports put out by the DFWA, by the ADSO and by my own website: www.justafairgo.net. The contributions to Independent Australia continue and there have been over 2,200 comments added since the first article by Tess Lawrence.
- Some very senior people have joined our campaign, including General Jim Molan, Air Vice-Marshal Peter Criss, Admiral Shackleton, Gina Rinehart, General Peter Leahy, and others.
- We have conducted several very successful activities to draw our position to the attention of the politicians, including OP LETTER RAID and OP AWARE.
- With Peter Criss leading the way, there has been a substantial increase in the public exposure of our position, through TV and radio interviews and social media outlets.
- We have forced the Government onto the back foot, as clearly demonstrated by their distribution of their so-called, un-signed, un-dated FACT SHEET, which was distributed so that all ALP politicians could “sing to the same tune”. This “document” did not even show which Department had prepared it — so it could have been written by anyone, especially as both the DFWA and the ADSO quickly and completely refuted its assertions!!
- We have forced the Opposition to announce, publicly, that they will “fix” the indexation issue for those military superannuants aged over 55 — but they have, so far, refused to extend this commitment to those under 55 or to MSBS recipients. There has been no commitment by either the Opposition or the ALP to redress the exclusion of disabled military personnel from the most recent increases to the disability pension. So, we cannot take anything for granted.
So what now? What do we do now?
Well, it’s clear to me that the current ALP/Greens/Independents Government will not change our indexation — unless they do this just prior to the next election just in a last attempt to save those in marginal seats.
It is also clear to me that there will not be an early election as no one in the ALP Government will want to kick the current Prime Minister out before then, only to become a sacrificial lamb at the next election when, if things do not change dramatically and quickly, the ALP will be thrown out of office by a tsunami of dissatisfied voters.
While we should continue to present our fight to every politician on every occasion, including the writing of letters, faxes, emails, radio and TV interviews, we must be prepared to stay in the fight until the next election. We must not become disheartened by the apparent lack of success. Believe me when I say that we have come a long way in the last 12 months.
We must not run out of steam. We must plan our major activities so that they gradually increase as we get closer to the election. Sure, I know that there is a danger in that the Government could call an election at any time and allow only a very short time for the election campaign. We must be prepared for this and have pre-planned activities that can be implemented at short notice.
All that aside, and while acknowledging the success of our letter-writing, etc, I believe it is time that we commenced to take some more aggressive actions. These must be lawful, well-planned and co-ordinated so that they occur right around Australia, on the same day at the same time (different in each State to ensure that, in fact, they occur concurrently). I believe we need to commence a campaign of public protests, ASAP, but leading up to and even on Vietnam Veterans’ Day and on Remembrance Day.
These protests do not have to involve large numbers but, of course, the more involved the better.
Five or more superannuants, displaying professionally made signs, with clear simple wording, would suffice, especially if supported by their families, who actually hold the signs.
Members would be encouraged to wear medals and assemble outside of the office of their local politician at the same time.
There would have to be an appointed, articulate, speaker who would address the key issues from a prepared script.
The group spokesperson would have to notify the local radio stations, the local newspaper(s), the local TV stations and the Police.
It would be essential that these protests are conducted at every office of every Federal politician, regardless of political persuasion, but we MUST ensure that these protests are held in all the marginal seats.
As we get closer to the election, the size of these protests should increase, but we MUST NOT conduct too many otherwise they will lose their impact.
We must have names of members who will definitely participate in such protests as well as the name of a spokesperson.
The most important action we need to take is to keep active, to keep engaged in the Fight for a Fair Go, to keep communicating with each other and to spread the word to our mates and our neighbours, especially our civilian friends. When I raise these matters with my civilian friends, they are gobsmacked at the way we have been treated.
Do you realise that all military superannuants remain slaves to the Australian Government until we die? We can never rollover our superannuation to another fund of our own choosing, unlike most other Australians! When we die, our spouses only receive 62.5% of our fortnightly payments. When a civilian superannuant dies, all 100% of his remaining super goes to his surviving spouse or to those nominated in his/her will. They can then withdraw that money and use it as they please.
WE REMAIN FINANCIAL SLAVES TO THE GOVERNMENT UNTIL WE DIE.
So much to the strident call of our Federal Treasurer, My Wayne Swan, MP, for everyone to be given “A FAIR GO”!
Remember all we are fighting for is to have a condition of service restored. We are not asking for anything new. This is our entitlement: to have our superannuation indexed so that it maintains parity with the actual cost of living increases. To achieve this, we are asking that our superannuation be indexed at exactly the same percentage increase as awarded to our Nation’s Old Aged Pensioners.
The Government has a moral obligation to restore this obligation and the matter of costings is irrelevant.
Stay the fight because we will win this fight and we must include all Defence superannuants and our disabled mates.

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Thank you DAVID DONOVAN and all of you wonderful VETERANS, FAMILIES and SUPPORTERS who have contributed so much to this extraordinary forum and who have pegged out a claim on INDEPENDENT AUSTRALIA that will forever belong to you, military history of another kind.
The record number of comments has burgeoned into historical significance and includes views that are as diverse in character, mood and opinion as the writers.
I reckon there’s a book in these comments; at least a Thesis.
Not only has the depth of intellectual argument outweighed the worn out rhetoric and glaring financial errors of successive governments, but in a scandal that is begging full disclosure, it is clear that for decades Australian Governments have been shamelessly short-changing its Veterans, families and heirs.
Against the awful backdrop of military, sexual and political scandals, the mismanagement and predicament of our Defence Forces, looms large.
But why should Veteran pensioners be punished as a consequence?
Many of your personal journeys are reflected in your comments, and so is the strength of your community activism and that has surprised so many people; including some particularly dopey politicians. Good.
I think David described these comments as a conversation and he’s right.
It’s become our Facebook, our Twitter. And a gamut of emotions are here. Heavy metal mental jacket stuff – as well as having a larf.
It definitely has got to the stage where, if someone in particular doesn’t make a comment for a while, there’s some backstage buzz to see if all is well, or if anyone needs help, if it ain’t.
Old friends have been reunited, and new friends made within these
tens of thousands of paragraphs.
It continues to be a privilege to be a part of this delightful
and provocative adventure.
You will win this fight. Because you simply refuse to give up until the Government does the right thing. And so many of us are with you on this.
It is often said that the most dangerous enemy is the one who has nothing to lose.
Well done Neil and Tess. Your perseverance has been inspirational. And Neil thanks for your support as a member of the ADSO Planning Team. Duty First.
Thanks TED,you’re always on the case and been so since Ground Zero.
Well if boys didn’t join to go off and kill people they would not need these pensions would they?
But I have friends who were conscripted under Menzies vile lottery who were exposed to agent orange and other chemical weapons who have not received one cent in compensation.
People who put their lives on the line for their country SHOULD be looked after, and looked after in a way which reflects, clearly reflects, the honour, respect, dignity and gratitude which their country has for them.
It is that simple, that clear cut
Whether it is peacetime or war the government has a responsibility to ensure that all defence personnel are compensated for any injury and suffering whether it is physical or mental.
Politicians take pleasure in photo shoots in safety areas of war zones with the guise of concern for those in the defence forces, but “shit happens” in peacetime as well as in war and the government has a duty to compensate the families of those who have died, or the personnel who have suffered injury or trauma.
History has proven that in some instances our politicians run for cover when defence personnel seek compensation, as was the case for the survivors of the crash between HMAS Melbourne and HMAS Voyager on 10 February 1964
Lawyers acting for survivors of the Voyager disaster — in which 82 men died — said the Government dragged its feet, destroyed crucial documents, denied access to information and fought plaintiffs tooth-and-nail for every cent of compensation.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/legal-affairs/long-fight-for-voyager-survivors/story-e6frg97x-1111114571636
The Voyager affair was perhaps the most sustained, but finally the most closely-documented cover-up in Australian public life.
http://netk.net.au/Whitton/Worms22.asp
And one was compensated 45 years after the disaster and 6 years after he died.
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2008/s2628143.htm
Fight for your country but remember your government will fight you for any entitled compensation.
We should also add another positive outcome, as follows:
The Independent Member for Lyne, Mr Rob Oakeshott, MP lodged a Notice of Motion in the House of Representatives on 18 June 2012, which called on the Government to consider increasing the MSBS, DFRDB and the DFRB twice yearly by whichever was the greatest of the CPI, the Pensioner and Beneficiary Living Cost Index (PBLCI) and the Male Total Average Weekly Earnings (MTAWE). The Motion was seconded by another Independent, Mr Tony Windsor, MP and while the Motion was debated, the outcome was inconclusive as time for debate had expired. It is hoped that the Motion will be rescheduled for further debate but don’t hold your breath. I encourage all of you to contact your local Federal Member and press them to have this Motion listed again so that a vote can be taken in the House of Representatives. Failure to do this will see this Motion lapse and disappear – which is exactly what the Government hopes will happen!! (I should emphasise that the Government implemented the PBLCI for our Nation’s Old Aged Pensioners just after they released their comments on the flawed Matthews’ Review as the Government acknowledged that the CPI was not maintaining parity with the cost of living increases and that the Old Aged Pensioners were falling behind. (The Government insists, however, that the Old Aged Pension is still indexed against the CPI and this new index was designed to giver the Old Aged Pensioners a share of Australia’s productivity!!!) For some unknown reason, despite Matthews’ comment about a new indexation for military superannuants, the PBLCI was not applied to military superannuants).
For those who argue that we vounteered for Military service and, therefore, do not deserve any special conditions, we have guaranteed that you have this right. We may not agree with you but it is our duty to fight for that right and even to die for your right to criticise us. You cannot live in a glass house, nor in isolation. Just be thankful that, when you hear military jets fly over your head, they are ours and not those of some aggressor!!
Our paid for superannuation entitlements, gleaned after 20 years service plus, must be indexed via CPI, MTAWE or PBLCI whichever is the higher! Failure to do so means out retirement salaries continue to be severely and continually eroded and certainly not keeping pace with cost-of-living increases!Age pension recipients are now being treated more favourably than Returned Service men and women! What a disgrace and indictment of all Federal Governments of the last five decades !
Well said Neil Weekes – both in your article and your comment above.
I have almost finished reading a book on the Vietnam years and it still angers me that certain low life took it upon themselves to spit in the face of men who were serving their country. And some comments made on different blogs where the issue of fair indexation have been raised elicit that same anger – they continue to spit in our faces.
If you appreciate the fact that English remains the official language of this country, that we still fly the Australian flag, and that you have the freedom to express your view, thank our sailors, soldiers and airmen and women.
Neil is right with his comment that the cost of restoring indexation of military super pensions to the level promised by government is irrelevant. It should be included in the Commonwealth’s non-discretionary spending bucket, and other discretionary programs should make way for it if necessary. That said, we are only talking about an additional $20M per year to the budget over the next four years. In terms of a $300+B annual budget which increases with GDP growth each year, this is background noise.
With the current Government, there are no shortage of discretionary budget items that could have made way fair indexation of military super: $20+M for carbon tax propaganda; $67M just to administrate the set top box program; $20M gift to unions; $30M to clean up the failed green start program; another $20M for market research and advertising of other Government programs; $7B to help bail out Europe…the list goes on. And all of these initiatives are deemed by Government to be more worthy than restoring Diggers pensions to the levels promised on enlistment…Says it all, doesn’t it!
Despite the Government’s protestations to the contrary, lack of funding is clearly not the reason for doing nothing – it is a lack of political will, rooted in the misguided belief it can continue ‘Treating Diggers Like Trash’ and get away with it.
With the help of IA and other media with a conscience, our mission is to engage with the court of public opinion and use that widespread support to counter the abuse of power of past and present Governments against those who served Australia in uniform for most or all of their working lives.
Ray Gibson
Ray Gibson has given some great examples of this Government’s hypocrisy regarding the use of discretionary funds. But the best was shown on the Paul Murray Live Show last night on SKY News (Mon – Thu at 2100 hrs). Mr Murray advised that the ADF had decided to discontinue the entitlement of a free annual return flight to their Next-of-Kin for all ADF members over 21 years. This will create a saving of some $15 Million. Mr Murray went on to say that, while the ADF Chiefs had made this decision, they had been forced to consider such draconian actions by the Government’s bloody-mindedness to create a forecasted budget surplus (note: it’s only forecast!! and Mr Swan has never achieved any of his four forecasted budgets!!) Mr Murray then went on to criticise this decision and pointed out that the Government had also decided to spend $21 Million to relocate the Prime Minister’s Sydney office!! That’s right, screw the diggers, cancel an entitlement to go and see Mum and Dad, even if they (the diggers) had only recently returned from active service, but do not hesitate to commit that amount plus another $6 Million to relocate the PM’s office!!!! Give us a break!!!
Enough is enough. This Government could not give a damn about us and all of these so-called people’s representatives should hang their heads in shame.
A “Fair Go!!” you say Mr Swan. You will never know what those words mean. I think it’s about time you went to Afghanistan and went out on patrol with our fellows for six months. Then, just then,you might glean some idea of what we are talking about. Clear your office, Mr Swan.
Dear MARILYNS and if some Governments ( ours and others ) didn’t lie about weapons of mass destruction and the like, those boys might have lived long enough to grow into old men.
Some of them did. I think they deserve the Nation’s embrace.
At the very least, parity with their peers. And not to be trashed as the last among equals.
“It’s the universal soldier who really is to blame” etc.
It’s true: many join because of either the financial benefits or are an odd sense of patriotism.
I had my escape route planned to avoid the Vietnam draft (as Mohammed Ali said..”no Vietnamese person ever hurt me!”)but in the end my lottery birthday didn’t come up which shows how perverted that was.
And we do forget the evils we visit in our quests-such as Agent Orange which is still causing dreadful injuries on infants born today in Vietnam and anywhere else they used these WMDs. Iraq and so.
However I support those in the armed forces who have been duped by vile politicians, old men who send young to die. Always will as they are victims too. Although why they thought their country would care for them is a mystery.
The US did studies after WW2 to work out why soldiers joined to fight.
They discovered a good 10% were psycopaths who relished a legal way to kill (including their own allies)
Many were drafted and around 20% of them would kill out of a sense of duty while the rest generally shot above the heads of the enemy, not being able to bring themselves to kill. Probably why you needed so many.
Now we just kill remotely with drones, enemy and otherwise.
So today’s veterans really are put on the scrapheap by our ghastly pollies.
Although in Germany after WW2 former soldiers and Nazis received generous state pensions and entitlements their entire life.
I can assure you Oscar Jones that I did not enlist for any sense of financial gain – and the fact is that for the period of my service we were not all that well paid. I cannot comment on conditions for todays service men and women. Patriotism? Not at 16. Too many Biggles books.
Now to the ‘universal soldier’. Almost from the end of WW2 Australia has a proud service of peace keeping and peace making service. Men and women on these duties can and do face real risk, suffer serious injury and sometimes death, and many suffer post traumatic stress disorder from this service.
Yes, Australia has been involved in wars it should not have been, has fought wars it had to fight in the name of freedom, and has been engaged in wars where the reasons for that involvment are complex and there are arguments for and against that may both be valid. But our involvement in those wars was a decision of the democratically elected government of the day, not the ‘soldiers’. Vietnam was popular at the beginning with the majority of Australians agreeing with the decision of the Govt.
Don’t blame the ‘universal soldier.’ Free, democratic nations cannot afford to disarm. They would not stay free for long. When we go to war for the wrong reasons blame the ‘universal politician’.
I have, of course, forgotten the humanitarian work done by our defence men and women as well as the work they do in Australia and overseas in response to natural disasters.
I have copied a link below from the RAAF website. It will give a brief overview of our involvment in peacekeeping operations.
http://www.airforce.gov.au/History/peacekeeping.aspx
I would rather see this campaign and comments relate to the issue rather than the politics, who cares what party is/not has/not doing/done whatever.
I cam see a government argument of “the status quo is the conditions of service you agreed to when you signed up”, however, being lumped in with the Public Service and then Not Lumped In is a very confusing issue for me as well as all of the Enquiries and Reports used by all and sundry. (Applause to those above mentioned for their very exhausting research.)
We must also be very aware of being used as political pawns as those pollies supposedly supporting us seem to vanish in the mist when called to “fire the gun”.
Judging by Warren Snowdon’s answers to various organisations on this matter I suspect the issue for the Present Government is not a moral one but an economical one even though we are not asking for any changes to be back-dated. This is the case now and always has been no matter which mob was in power. Sound a bit pessimistic? No Way! Reality is real.
Unfortunately, except for the few, the silence has been deafening from the senior officer element of the Defence Force both past and present. If an employer had treated his workforce in the civilian environment, in this manner, strikes and prosecutions would have been called for.
We,Servicemen and women, contributed to a self-funded superannuation scheme, DFRB, which had accumulated a large and increasing capital base. The then Government legislated the closure of DFRB and confiscated it’s assets to Consolidated Revenue rather than distribute them amongst the members of the DFRB Fund.
They then replaced DFRB with a new superannuation fund, DFRDB, and ordered all Servicemen and women to contribute 5.5% of their pre-tax pay into Conolidated Revenue, effectively an interest free loan to the Government.
The current situation in regard to indexation is just a continuance of that initial money grab and is an indication of the disdain and contempt that the Government holds Defence personnel in.
Dear GINO, I’m way behind in the conversation thus far but Crikey, you are so spot on! Thanks so much for mentioning the 5.5% contribution loan to the Government and thus, the people of Australia!
I might have my wires crossed Gino, but some of you never got this money back, right?
You are a champ for mentioning it and I am very sure that hardly anyone knows about this, including some Defence Force Personnel – and certainly few in the wider community and absolutely not,as far as Politicians are concerned.
Dear DIGGER53, that’s why you’re free to put in your two bob’s worth.
You are so right about being ‘political pawns ‘ and without doubt certain Pollies have tried to heavy certain groups.
But I reckon you’re all up for it.
You can spot the Blarney.
Thanks Tess, I would also like to say that comparisons of other Nations (Oscar Jones) and old wars does not really help our situation–sorry Mate. Because, I doubt that our diggers now serving in Afghanistan/Iraq getting shot at and blown up by the Taliban/Muslim Extremists reckon that drones and remote controlled gadgets are doing the fighting for them. I also doubt, despite the US post WW2 studies that there are any psychopaths in the ADF.
W-e-l-l nothing like 10%, as Aussies have a different temperament to a lot of other nationalities.
Now for our WAR— Operation “Fair Go”—Much has been done, written,argued,videod and I am at a loss to think of where we can go from here. Forget the Senior Officer bit (Gino), they are on a pretty good wicket thank you very much (I would have been happy to retire on 30% of Lt Col’s pay rather than that of a WOII’s but that is my fault for not having the education etc for the Ociffer Stream and I only made it to WOII and no higher because my PTSD got me into a lot of trouble with my superiors–well that and a belief in a FAIR GO for all ranks.)
So–where to next??? I suppose we just keep being fleas in the ears of our elected representatives until they get sick of scratching.
Oh–just to add—–Calling someone a lowlife, good for nothing $$%#$# before you ask a favour is not going to help the cause one bit.
Digger53:
Just posting my personal thoughts and beliefs and one of them is: those in the armed forces will have my support including when they return to civilian life.
G’day Digger53. Not all retired senior officers forget their diggers, mate. I retired as a Brigadier and Jim Molan and Peter Leahy retired as Generals. Pete Criss was an Air Vice-Marshal, Win Fowles retired as a Brigadier as did George Mansford so there are several old farts like us who are fighting this fight. Sometimes we can’t win though. When we try to assist we are often accused of still trying to impose our authority but when we do not get involved we are accused of not fighting for those with whom we served. Having said that, I, too, am disappointed with many of our more senior officers for not being publicly involved in our Fight for a Fair Go.
However, our fight is not with these officers. Our fight is with the Government and that’s where our aim and comments should be directed, definitely not at each other. Great to have you involved in the campaign.
Digger53, I did regret my ‘lowlife’ comment after I posted it. A bit of a brain snap. I think Oscar Jones’ comments re. the high percentage of American soldiers who shot over the heads of their enemies (a figure I had seen before) supports the fact that for most human beings, military included, the act of killing another human being is abhorrent. And when I see comments that insinuate that we joined so we could kill or that we are killers etc, I find them grossly offensive. This time I cracked.
And Oscar Jones, I was not offended in anyway by what you said. Sometimes I just enjoy the debate.
Neil, its not only the retired senior officers. I have mates who believe we can’t win, so why bother. And I have seen a few comments posted on blogs after Peter Criss has been interviewed by retired senior officers who I have not heard of in any Fair Go campaing material. They may well have good reasons for not being actively involved but at least they have responded when requested.
Keep up the good work you are doing mate because many of us old troops appreciate it.
Hi There Neil, Ken, Oscar and Tess,
1.Neil—Sorry to you and George (Warrie) and others of your ilk–I realised after I wrote that I should have excluded you and friends from the Higher Ranking Officers Not Involved.
2. Oscar—Not trying to deny you having your say as I am one of the greatest believers in Democracy for all–so go for it mate, however, I re-iterate that Aussies have a different temperament to that of other nationalities.
3. Ken–Was not aiming at you in particular,au contrare, I was aiming at number of correspondents who send me emails of updates on the campaign and other matters who exhibit letters they have written to Ministers/Politicians that usually start off with derogatory remarks to the addressee, hence they wonder why their missives are not answered.
“FAIR GO” Diggers.
@Marilyn, i have just finished radiotherapy for prostate cancer which was a direct result from my exposure to Agent orange. Ten years ago i beat bowel cancer also agent orange was the cause according to the oncologists at Sir Charles Gardiner Hospital here in perth. There is alot of veterans here in perth that are being treated for the above cancers.If you can pass this message onto your friends who have been exposed to chemicals and agent orange then i would advise them to contact the RSL who would help them with their case against the govt.
Thanks Tess and keep up the good work.
The money transferred from DFRB to Consolidated Revenue was never returned to the DFRB contributors. I have never seen nor heard of any accounting for that money once it was absorbed into CR.
The 5.5% contribution during DFRDB was not fully returned to those who did not complete the minimum of 20 years service. My recollection is that the majority of those who enlisted or were called up did not complete 20 years. They received less than their contributions back on discharge as the Government charged an administrative fee for managing their money, interest free, for upto but short of 20 years.
Tess this is a copy of email I forwarded to Snowdon this arvo in regards to latest CPI increase to our paid for super scheme:
Gidday “Claytons” Veteran’s minister!
This has got to be a “JOKE”?
The latest DFRDB superannuation salary increase is $1.07, yes that’s right, ONE DOLLAR and SEVEN CENTS!
This after Federal MPs received an increase of 30%?
All MPs should hang their heads in SHAME!
Persevere
Bernie McGurgan (A Vietnam Veteran & Discriminated Against DFRDB superannuate since 1987)
I have just received my DFRDB salary increase of A$0.87!!! Amazing! I just want to rush out and spend it like there`s no tomorrow!Over 6 months that would maybe get me 3 tanks of fuel!! To think what I would have got after 22 years service had I have joined politics?? Only thing is I have pride, integrity and service before self……unlike the politicians!!
Wally Schiel
RAN (rtd)
REally Tess? The soldiers who burst into the wrong home of Afghans and slaughtered an entire family and got off scott free after a major cover up?
Sorry, I don’t have the yearning to put these killing machines on a pedestal.
Ever read Ghost Platoon Tess? Did you read about Surafend and our boys massacre of dozens of unarmed arabs after the war?
Read After the Reich maybe were our boys conspired with other allies to slaughter millions of German women and children and ethnically cleanse 16 million more?
One Australian commander sent 30,000 people to Russia with the stroke of the pen and the soldiers all watched them get gunned down.
Soldiers leave me completely cold as I believe it takes a psycopath to be one.
Heck Marilyn S—-what are doing in here then? This discussion is all about us “Killing Machines” Retired. We live in your neighbourhood, you probably rub shoulders with us in the Supermarket Check out Que. Or we are behind you at the ATM or in the car in front of you—-BUT SORRY–I APOLOGISE FOR GIVING 21 YEARS OF MY LIFE THINKING I WAS DOING SO TO PROTECT YOU AND OUR AUSSIE WAY OF LIFE AND SCARING YOU SO BADLY. No back to smoking your joint dear girl so that the realities of life cannot scare you.
Just looking through the posts–is The Marilyn S who wrote the post just above mine the same one who wrote this further up: “MarilynS
27 JUNE, 2012 AT 3:54 AM
Well if boys didn’t join to go off and kill people they would not need these pensions would they?
But I have friends who were conscripted under Menzies vile lottery who were exposed to agent orange and other chemical weapons who have not received one cent in compensation.”
Mailyn S you are very inconsistent, maybe just a wee puff of the good stuff—just like back in the old hippie days when you friends were conscripted????
Dear Digger53, I am advising my children – one of whom has survived almost 40 years with a psycopathic father – not to send my grandkids to school. Just think of all those pedophile teachers, it just wouldn’t be safe. And I feel uncomfortable when I see all those corupt police officers on the street – who knows when they are going to frame me for something, beat me up or kill me. As for banks, whenever I go into one I see all those tellers being trained up to manipulate interest rates and rip off customers. And who wants to end up in an aged care place – think of all those aged care workers who sexually abuse the vulnerable, and all those aged care places that neglect and abuse their residents. Whenever I see the fire engine racing down the road I wonder if they’re on the way to put the fire out or to start it so they have the thrill of putting it out. I know the only reason I haven’t been sexually abused and bullied in my civilian workplace is because they all live in fear of the psychopath.
Of course, MarilynS, some soldiers let the side down, but they are the small minority. And most civilians – police, teachers, firefighters, aged care workers, bank workers and anyone else I may have maligned above are good people who do a bloody good job. And of course you have all the facts about those soldiers in Afghanistan – you were there, saw exactly what happened, interviewed all the witnesses, etc.
On another matter. I saw the 730 Report tonight discussing Bomber Command. I took them all this time to build a memorial to these blokes because so many people believed what they did was immoral. Easy to make a judgement after the war and perhaps as some have suggested what they did had little impact on the outcome. But to deny recognition of these blokes for all this time who were simply doing their duty?
After all, how many monuments are there to Churchill? After all, he was their boss and as such the one who sent them.
G’day all,
Hey, I suggest that we ignore any more posts from MarilynS. After all she is just one individual and although she states that “soldiers leave me completely cold” we have ensured that she can sleep secure in a warm bed knowing that someone out there is defending our and her Nation. Don’t feed the argument. In fact, despite her assertion, MarilynS is obviously fascinated by soldiers, war, alleged attrocities, etc, as she has obviously read extensively on these matters. If we leave her cold, I would have thought that she would have avoided these types of books like the plague. So I suggest we let her have her say but do not make any further comment.
Happy Thursday from The Golden West.
Noting the $1.07 & 87c increases above, I have obviously been underpaid, as my increase! is only 86c p/fn.
On calling the office of my local member, Melissa Parke MP for Fremantle, a worker there lifted my spirits with the following two comments:
“Well, you are lucky you are not in Greece ’cause they aren’t getting ANY pensions” and “I’m 50, and I don’t get a pension.”
I was then aware that the office of my local member was not necessarily sympathetic to our plight. A discussion regarding the Senate vote/ambush was quickly dismissed. I’m not sure that he had even heard of Sen Lundy.
This post is a little light in its wording; its better that way, but this over-riding disdain for the military by the ALP will be taken to a firmer level very soon.
Should there be any doubt on my statement re: Ms Parke’s office, you may like to confirm at: 08 9335 08555. Use my name!
On another point as discussed by N Weekes.. some fine names indeed are mentioned. I’ll be rapt when names like Jeffrey & Cosgrove & Gration & Huston et al are added. (No breath-holding here)
Cheers
Red/ACB!!
Gunman only seek compliance and the proliferation of their own kind. Its a bit insulting to here some of you trotting out the gunman propaganda just to secure yourself more money.
Well done Tess! Thank you on behalf of all my brother and sisters in arms.
87 cent increases!!
And a few lucky so-and-so’s made it all the way to $1-07!!
Just a few weeks of saving those increases, and the guys could really celebrate by rushing out and buying themselves a can of catfood. The gastronomic possibilities are endless!
Me suspects that the bureaucrats allocating those huge 87c and $1-07 increases, like the pollies they dine with at the Lobby, in Manuka, or at the Water’s Edge, have pension plans that run to a lot more than cat food!
Marvellous, isn’t it??!
If you have to save up to buy cat food you might benefit from the new laws passed in the senate that will quarantine part of your your pension for food. You might also like to lower your expectation of what living in the free country you fought for costs.
Hi All, regarding marilyn, she is nothing more then a astroturfer and troll. I am on a service pension and tpi, i am fighting this govt for the widows and serving members and ex service ppl. I could just curl up and not give a stuff about the rest of the ADF family but i couldn’t live with myself if i did this. I will fight for a fair go until we win this fight.
Marilyn S takes a bow and F Jinn steps up to take her place–what did you say F Jinn???? “Gunman (sic)only seek compliance and the proliferation of their own kind.”
There are no Gunmen in here except maybe yourself. How many ADF personnel did you spit on today?
You should never spit on a gunman because they will punch you in the head. That is just common sense. Also common knowledge is that spit will not hurt you. Its very odd that some of you should feel the need to dedicate so much effort to right the wrong of spit.
I got a copy of Bernie’s Email and immediately sent it off to Warren Snowdon and Mike Kelly with a few of my added comments.
“Good onya Bernie–Got my notification today. I received a whole 74 cents per fortnight. From now on I am going to spend up big every pay ? day and buy half a litre of petrol–no not extra–just the half a litre. One fortnight I can mow the lawn for an hour with the ride-on. The next fortnight I can just make it in to town with the car to do essential food shopping–will have to strap on the push bike to get back home–the next fortnight I will ride the push bike to retrieve the car from town. That will have to be my six weekly regimen I am afraid.
Enjoy your windfall people but do not spend it all at once. (One Tenth of a Percent????????????? And it was rounded up to the nearest tenth ERK!!!)”
These people (the pollies) just do not get the point do they?
Hi
I also received my DFRDB letter today and the 65c a fortnight increase will go a long way towards my fuel and food bills. This generous increase from the same Govt who brought you the reduction in Single member travel entitlement in order to save $15M per year to help create a phantom surplus.
Dear OSCAR JONES, in relation to your remarks about psychopaths, I
imagine that GEORGE W BUSH would easily slip into such catagory.
And let us include the likes of the ghastly RUMSFELD and CHENEY, to say nothing of RICE.
There were NO weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
Any mass destruction came courtesy of the COALITION OF THE WILLING.
And AUSTRALIA belonged to this ignominious group.
Our Defence Forces personnel were despatched there by JOHN HOWARD.
Dear MARILYNS,
Yes, really.
I invite you to read some of the other articles and comments on
INDEPENDENT AUSTRALIA.
I find the notion of war repugnant on every level and an indictment upon our inability as human beings,to resolve conflict and disputes without killing and injuring one another.
It is facile nonsense to say all soldiers are psychopaths.
Dear WALLY SCHIEL, thank you for your service to this country – but are you sure you do not have the makings of a spendthrift?
Isn’t it all just so pathetic Wally.
I just wish the group that gave the Pollies their huge salary increase would have a look at your predicament!
Dear DIGGER53,it is so difficult to keep politics out of it.
Do you know that MINISTER WARREN SNOWDON said that if any of you dared bring up the subject of your pensions and death benefits at meetings, that he would throw a tanty and walk out ?
Is this an adult male we’re dealing with? How and why did he get appointed?
Dear JOHN LAWRENCE, you are so spot on. Thank you.
These silly trolls are irritants incapable of original thought.
They couldn’t do this mindless trolling if they were not intellectual psychopaths.
Dear JEREMY HAMMOND, thank you for your kind words and thank you for your service to this country.
May You and your Brothers and Sisters in Arms keep safe and never have the need to cause harm nor ever endure it.
Dear TERRA AUSTRALIS, talking about cat (and dog ) food, I truly know pensioners who eat it and make stews and casseroles out of it.
A while back, I did an article/radio item about this, and about the plight of elderly pensioners and I remember talking to the petfood manufacturers at the time about this sad thing.
One of them came up with the solution to put red dye in the petfood.
I was just stunned. He was prepared to humiliate and stigmatise these Darlings with a mouth dye!
No thought to the real problem.
I remember putting it to him that if they could produce a tin of food that was nutritious to pets, could they not produce wholesome
food in a can for pensioners ?
He thought this was dopey.
Dear RED WEBB, thank you for your service to this country, and for your comment here.
This is from MELISSA PARKE’s website: –
Before entering parliament, Melissa Parke worked as a senior lawyer in the United Nations for 8 years. Melissa began her employment with the UN peacekeeping mission in Kosovo within the Office of Legal Affairs in 1999, and this was followed by two and a half years working in Gaza for the international legal division of UNRWA, the UN agency that works to assist Palestinian refugees.
In June 2004, Melissa undertook a position in the UN headquarters in New York in the Office of the Under-Secretary-General for Management. In this role, she was responsible for oversight of the internal system of administration of justice, as well for establishing the UN Ethics Office, including instituting programs for whistleblower protection, financial disclosure, ethics training and advice and standards of conduct.
* What happened to her sense of Justice after she became a politician?
Dear Tess,
I was being humorous (or trying to be) when I made the comment that the defence pension increases might add up to a can of cat food over a few weeks, but, like you, I know, firsthand, that it really happens.
In the land I was exiled to, it isn’t just pensioners who do it. Child poverty is so bad here that kids, frequently whole families, go dumpster diving through the bins behind KFC looking for food, and scavenge through pig troughs cf http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/6901003/Hungry-kids-scavenge-pig-slops.
Getting back to the defence and psychopaths thread, I had a special chuckle over your rather critical remarks about GEORGE and DICK. Despite their record, those two will always have something of a special place in my heart – I have had a few threats come my way recently, so discretion prompts me not to post the story, at least on a public forum. But it is a classic – GEORGE and DICK got the better (and HOW!!) of a national leader who hated Australia, and hated, even more, our military.
Dear TERRA AUSTRALIS, oh, I felt that, but it was just that your remark also jogged my memory about what happened years ago.
I am so aware that children scavenge waste dumps around the world, often knee deep in toxic muck, searching for scraps of food and anything that might be able to be recycled. I have seen such things and find it difficult to live with such visions. But am so aware that this is the sad and unfair reality of daily lives; of our brothers and sisters.
Thanks, Neil and Tess, for pressing the issue of fair indexation for military superannuation pensioners. (One minor matter – I left the Army all those years ago as a colonel, not a brigadier.)
I’ve had quite a few emails & phone calls in recent days re the derisory 0.1% super “increase” mentioned above. I’m better off than most DFRDB people and am rejoicing in the extra $1.44 f/n, which my wife & I shall spend recklessly just as soon as it thumps into our bank account on 12 July.
More seriously, I think we should spend time considering the position of reversionary military super pensioners, particularly Defence widows. Not only do they receive just 62.5% of their late serviceman husband’s uncommuted DFRDB super pension (as opposed to the 83% received by the widow of a deceased pre-2004 MP) but unfair indexation has an enormous effect on their standard of living. Sure, it’s the same percentage as everyone else but, because their dollar amount is so low to begin with, the increase is a few cents at best. All military super pensioners are going backwards at the same percentage rate, but in dollar terms a Defence widow is at the bottom of the pile. Lest we forget.
Dear WIN FOWLES, thank you for your service to this country.
It is wicked how you are shamelessly flaunting your wealth!
You are right to remind us of the horrible plight of Defence Widows and Win you will see from the many comments in other articles on this subject that they are foremost in the minds of those fighting for a Fair Go for Veterans, Families and Heirs.
Hi Win Fowles and Tess,
Good to see you Win and a hearty ‘ere ‘ere on your comments on the Widows Pension and heck, a Coinel gets twice as much as me–that is one litre of petroleum a fortnight. Onya Mate!!
Yes Tess I know the boys threatened to throw a tanty but I just could not help meself. Parliament has finished sitting for a spell after a mammoth sitting re: The Oakeshot Bill which we all saw was rejected by the Senate. If they are that biligerent (?) at passing only “My Party’s” bills then woe betide us all.
One on the Dog/Cat food. My Dear Old Dad (now deceased) was a great cat and dog lover. I would arrive home on leave and in the process of catching up Dad would say, “Us pensioners are going to get a raise soon.”
Me, “Are yas–didn’t see anything on the News or the Papers. How do you know?”
Dad, “Pet food at Woolies has gone up this week.”
Onya Dad you were always right.
Last week I was up late and listening to question time in the Senate on ABC-TV. Foreign Affairs Minister Bob Carr, standing in for an absent minister, was asked why DFRDB superannuants would not be receiving a payment to help them meet the additional cost of the carbon tax. Senator Carr obviously had no idea what a DFRDB recipient was and was not the slightest bit interested in being informed. He read, over the protesting voice of the questioner, from a prepared script indicating that a majority of pensioners would, in fact, receive the payment. Senator Carr is supposed to be an intelligent man, a well-informed former journalist. He should hang his head in shame. But then I guess he was just following in the uncaring footsteps of other members of the Labor Party.
Dear BMCGURGAN, onya for your email to WARREN SNOWJOB, MINISTER FOR
MISMANAGING VETERAN AFFAIRS.
Wouldn’t it be luvverly if he dared to reply to you. But we mustn’t
forget that he’s the Minister for Veteran Affairs that doesn’t want to speak with Veterans!!!!!
Dear KAYASCHMIDT, thank you for this and you deserve a medal yourself for listening to the pantomime (and that’s not fair to pantomimes) that is now our Federal Parliament.
It is clear that FOREIGN MINISTER BOB CARR believes the nonsensical rhetoric spouted about his ordinary capabilities.
Not only do we have a Government that was NOT elected by Australians, but we have a Foreign Minister that was NOT elected AT ALL.
Mr Carr is clearly under the impression that he is the Labor Government’s Great Hope and that any day now the adoring throngs will beg him to assume the Prime Ministership.
It is only a matter of time before these political junk bonds will be turfed.
Dear DIGGER53, I’m in love with your Dad. He was/is so right!
He said it all.
* I love that dialogue between You and your Dear Dad. I reckon many of us can identify with it, and picture the scenario right now.
Dear Neil and Tess,
Thanks to both of you for your collective efforts and perseverance in prosecuting our case for fairer indexation and for Independent Australia kindness in providing a platform for doing so.
It is interesting to say the least that the Government has, since 2007, repeatedly stated that it is “an evidence based Government” but when it has been presented with clear evidence of adverse peer reviews and external independent comments, rubbery data, bogus assumptions and gross misrepresentations, representing Billions of dollars in errors, the best that the Minister for Finance can come out and say in recent letters to peak Representative Organisations is, and I quote:
“… the actuaries have advised that there is nothing in the commentary that would have any impact on their actuarial advice nor cause them to reconsider the assumptions included in their advice or the data underlying that advice.”
Quite frankly, this would have to be the best ‘Yes Minister’ statement of all time; a statement that only confirms in my mind the ineptitude of a Government that lacks spine and has no political leadership within.
As I have posted elsewhere …. “Trust in any Government is like an eraser, the more mistakes it makes, and that we find, the less the eraser becomes”.
I think many who have read my various research papers will agree that I definitely need a new eraser. However, with only a 94 cent increase in my DFRDB pension per fortnight (less some BS increase of $32 in withholding tax (??)), I think it will be some considerable time off before I acquire another one.
Here’s a general link to some of my research commentary:
http://www.dfwa.org.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=42&Itemid=59
Thanks again and cheers
Peter Thornton
I have a friend in SA who has been fighting for compensation for agent orange sufferers since he got back from “nam as part of the voluntary force.
What I don’t get is why we persist in this defence force crap? They are not defending us from anyone, just hunting refugees and killing people for the US.
MOre like and offence force.
Dear PETER THORNTON, we are all aware of your meticulous and forensic analyses of the facts and figures and that time and again your research and due diligence have coherently refuted the shonky sums of successive governments.
You remain a champion in this painstaking work – and all this despite fighting your own personal battles – as with so many of you.
Rest assured that the silly government spin you quoted is not taken seriously by anyone, and certainly not ADF personnel. Much of the reason for this is because you have put the correct facts and figures on the table.
Thanks Peter. Your investigative work is quite extraordinary.
Yeah right Marilyn, i served with 3rar 67-68 in vietnam we were based in south aussie. I think that your comments are nothing but pure bullshit. All the veterans that i know in south aussie are in fact pissed off with the attitude of ppl like you. When i returned from service in 1968 back in woodside barracks in the adelaide hills we had a march through adelaides main street and my fellow mates were spat at and abused me included but we all agreed that ppl like you are not important. You would not have a clue about the sacrifice that widows and their children have to endure. Last month my close friend died of prostate cancer in adelaide because of his exposure to agent orange, you keep saying that you have freinds that were exposed to agent orange then i will repeat my message to you and your freinds seek help from the advocates that work hard to right this wrong but as i said before you are nothing but a govt lackie. please prove me wrong but i reckon that you are nothing hot wind. I await your reply.
I have never spat on a single soldier and never would, I just don’t understand why people who were children when we invaded
Afghanistan are signing up.
And I used to work for a democrat senator in the last 1980′s who was working really hard for agent orange compensation for all those affected and find it disgusting that reports keep claiming the dreadful stuff is not still killing people.
One vet friend who was conscripted took almost 40 years to get any sort of pension because his PTSD was supposedly not severe enough, another friend has recurring bowel tumours from the dreadful stuff and I reckon the dieldrin and aldrin brothers of agent orange have caused the massive increase in incurable auto-immune diseases like mine.
How you can claim any vet is pissed off with my view on compensation for agent orange though beats the hell out of me, you have no idea who I am.
Marilyn, have you followed the other IA link on this subject?
http://www.independentaustralia.net/2011/politics/exclusive-breaking-news-diggers-versus-the-gillard-government/#comment-69697
Or checked out http://www.standto.org/?
Our issue with the Govt is not just our superannuation, important as that is to us. It is only one of the things that concern us, including the whole matter of support for veterans including your friends.
You may be interested to know that younger men and women – those who have been to Iraq, Afghanistan as well as those that have done peace keeping service still find it a real battle to have issues with things like PTSD dealt with by DVA. I have a friend who is caught up with the F111 deseal reseal program who is made to jump through the same hoops over and over again.
Your issue is not with those who have served out nation in uniform. We are simply servants of the people. Your issue is with polilticians.
Agent orange was something that should never have been unleashed. And you may be right about the cause of your own illness – something I am sorry to hear about. My father was a farmer and used dieldrin because the govt told farmers to use the stuff. And now the farmers have contaminated soils and are left to bear the costs without compensation.
Gunman want civilians to comply with all their views. They get “pissed off” if civilians voice their own opinions. They will then label civilians or giver them a moral value that allows them to be “attacked”. They still expect to be worshiped as hero’s. Same old.
Dear JOHN LAWRENCE, MARILYNS and KEN MARSH, the malevolent use of Agent Orange remains a catastrophic War Crime and the Australian Government continues to remain cowardly in its avoidance of responsibility of caring for all who continue to be affected by its use.
MarilynS and F Jinn,Ken Marsh is right. I have no objections to your expressing your views at all, after all that is what a democracy is all about. Just remember that the majority of Australians voted in a Government which, in turn, decided to commit forces overseas. So, in reality, the Australian people (you and me) sent our troops overseas. We all have to share that responsibility. Have you been watching what is going on in Syria? Have you thought that the international community should do something about it? Similarly with Iraq, East Timor, Aghanistan, Vietnam, both World Wars, Korea, and others. The Government, we the people of Australia, sent our forces overseas. There will be those who did not support those decisions but they should no blame our diggers. If you do not like the decision then cast your vote against the Government. We cannot sit idly by and see other nations over-run by dictators. We have international obligations. We cannot live in isolation and we have an obligation to contribute to world peace.
Having “lectured” you on Australia’s obligations, our fight with the Government has many facets, all about giving us “a Fair Go” an ALP principle that Mr Swan has been regularly espousing lately. The point is that it makes no difference whether or not our diggers served overseas. The fact is that they were promised that, once they completed 20 years or more and received a military superannuation “pension”, then that pension would continue to be indexed so that it maintained parity with the real increases in the cost of living. Successive Governments have failed to meet this condition of service with the result that many diggers are living below the Henderson Poverty Line, with the average pension being approximately $24,000.00 per year. Then, when they die, their spouse receives only 62.5% of those payments (about $14,000). Does not put much food on the table. When you die, your spouse receives 100% of your remaining super. When you change work, you can roll your super over. We cannot roll our super over into a better fund. We remain financial slaves to the Government until we die. This is what we are trying to have changed and just to be treated as a common Australian citizen, to have the same rights (which we are being denied). We are not asking for any anything special or anything new, and I assure you we do not regard ourselvesas being heroes. We simply want a “Fair Go” and to be treated exactly the same way as our Old Aged Pensioners and to have our pensiopns indexed at exactly the same percentage. Is that asking too much?
Australia is not a free country. Gunman cost a lot of money.
Dear NEIL WEEKES, thank you for your service to this country.
No, it isn’t asking too much.
In fact, your claims are very modest.
Never is this more obvious than when compared with the bloated salaries of Politicians.
Supposed intelligent people representing us in Government still fail to ‘get it’. Instead they repeatedly write to us with the same obfuscatory and irrelevant material, that fails entirely to address the real issue. This is what I have written to Senator Wong just now:
2 July 2012
Senator the Hon. Penny Wong
Parliament House
CANBERRA ACT 2600
Fair Indexation for Military Superannuation
Dear Senator
I have just read your 30 May letter to Mr Ron Dean, National President, Australian Council of Public Sector Retiree Organisations.
I find your continued reliance on Matthews incredible. His report has been comprehensively discredited, was equivocal on the matter of a better index anyway, and importantly flies in the face of all the available evidence. That evidence includes a significant number of inquiries and reviews conducted by the Government itself. For example, recommendation 14.28, made in December 2002 by the Senate Select Committee on Superannuation on which you sat, and action on which you still continue to delay.
In any case, your focus on CPI is wrong. The issue for military superannuants, and for their public service counterparts, is the maintenance of purchasing power of their superannuation pensions (however large or small those pensions might be). In the case of the military for both DFRDB and MSBS (some 8,000 now) superannuants, indexation maintenance of purchasing power of superannuation was and remains a condition of service that is being breached every fortnight, and has been since at least the early 1990s. That is what the argument is about – not the figures. The cost of delivering an agreed condition of service is, after all, a non-discretionary obligation in any budget, just like pay.
This condition is being breached by the Government – their employer. The evidence is starkly clear in the graph below. It needs no actuary to see the bleeding obvious: purchasing power of their pensions is cycling ever downwards.
[sorry all, I cannit get the graph to come up here, but you know it well from the Fair Go site]
It is beyond belief that a Labor government, with its fundamental commitment to social justice, can possibly contemplate allowing this situation to continue, let alone defend it! What is it that veterans have done to cause the government to treat them as an underclass in their own country, by denying them their just entitlements and exposing them to a deepening cycle of poverty, by knowingly and wilfully denying them fair indexation of their superannuation pensions?
As far as the Future Fund is concerned, you give the entirely wrong impression. I am sure that your officials will have explained to you that there is no need ever to expend the entire amount of the government’s unfunded superannuation liabilities in order to fairly index the superannuation pensions of existing superannuants. The entire liability will never come due all at once. The Fund grows from its own earnings, and the government ought to be making its superannuation co-contributions to it to ensure that future liabilities can be met; progressively, when they fall due. Thornton has clearly shown how the Future Fund might be used to fairly index current superannuant’s pensions.
So, Fair Go Minister! Treat our military and other superannuants with dignity and pay them their promised dues. It continues to be a blight on our governments’ (of both persuasions) records that this has not been fixed. All that the military superannuants want is for the Government to adopt the same formula used for Age/Service pensions for all components of Military retirement pensions (DFRB/DFRDB/MSBS) including the total reversionary pension for partners of deceased military superannuation pensioners.
Can I have an assurance that you will find a way soon to right this long standing and unjust wrong?
Yours sincerely
(signed)
Whooopeeeeeeee!!!!
I am a DFRDB recipient who has just received notification of my latest increase of my military superannuation payment of 0.1% which means I now receive an extra $0.79 gross – even less after tax!!!
Not enough to buy a stamp.
Thank you pollies – will can be reassured that we will not forget.
Thanks Tess. For some reason I baulked at using ‘war crime’ this morning but that’s how I feel. I may be wrong but I thought chemical warfare was banned by some treaty after WW1. From what I have read, I would put napalm along side that. But given some of the other things we as humans have invented to kill, maime and injure our fellow human beings, where do you draw the line?
I believe one of the Popes made gave some spiritual guidance at the time of the Crusades (an early form of Jihad?). The cross bow was such a horrible weapon Chrisians should not use it on each other. But it was quite OK to use it against those infidels.
We’ve come a long way since the cross bow.
An article appeared in this mornings Courier Mail stating “Minimum wages start to rise” which stated in part “LOW-paid (sic) workers will get an extra $17.10 a week —- about 1.4 million workers are expected to benefit from the 2.9% increase taking the minimum weekly pay to $606.40″ Low page workers deserve this rise, they need it. But how does it compare with the increase doled out to DFRDB pensioners. Politicians of all persuasions need to be reminded of this
Dear KEN MARSH, both Agent Orange and Napalm fall into the catagory of weapons of mass destruction as far as I’m concerned and I agree with you about our capacity to injure and kill one another.
To me, one of the more insidious examples of this is the NEUTRON BOMB that kills people – but leaves buildings standing.
Says it all. And we have the cheek to say that human beings behaving badly are ‘ behaving like animals.’
Dear JIM STAATS, and how does it all compare with the recent walloping salary grab increase by politicians?
Hi Red Webb long time ago we were on a subject one for SGT course at SME.
I got my letter from Comm. Super today informing me of the 0.1% increase in the CPI. I will receive a increase of $0.81 per fortnight. I haven’t worked out yet which shop I will spend it in. I could buy a stamp from the post office so that I could post a letter every fortnight to some dim witted politician or save it up till it becomes $4.00 then I could buy a schooner to help my substance abuse.
Bob
For Marilyn S, you do not seem to like present or past men and women of our defence forces. May I put it this way, a country without its own defence force is usually a country occupied by a foreign power. I like Ken Marsh, joined as a 15year old to get a trade and have a career. There was, never has been, nor will there be the desire to go to war and kill people. As a patriot and servant of our nation, that may sometimes be required in order to preserve the freedoms that we (you included) all enjoy. My late father served in New Guinea in World War 2, and left this world much too early due to war related illness. There could not have been a kinder, more decent and caring human being than he, yet some out there would wish to brand he and all our comrades as vicious killers. We are in your communities, raising kids, foster kids, grandchildren, and greatly contributing to the Australian community. In natural disasters, we are out there helping our fellow citizens, not gunning them down! F Jinn, nice to see you reading and contributing. There are some amazing advances in medical science nowdays, so perhaps there is hope for your unfortunate brain injury. This debate is about correcting an injustice by an uncaring government and redressing the unfair treatment of broken promises. We only ask for fair and equal treatment that was promised to us when we joined to serve our country.
Gunman all over the world say the same thing 10. Self-serving jingoism and propaganda. Gunman have no moral value. The thread is full of moral justification, government recruiting slogans and propaganda. It is not an equal fair go you seek is it. It is just more money for your own.
Dear BOB IHLEIN and RED WEBB, I hope you two get the chance to meet up again in person! Great news to read this ‘reunion.’
@ F Jinn, you like many other ppl i have met over the years have know idea what the fairgo campaign is. it is about restoring the pensions in line with old age pensions and service pensions. I am on a service pension and TPI. I believe that i should help in this fight because that is what service ppl do, help our fellow mates. You say that we are nothing but gunmen. Who is the first to help flood victims soldiers of course. I have and the other guys on here have more moral courage and respect for each other than you will ever have. excuse me while i go and have a chuck as you make me sick.
Soldiers are not the first to help flood victims. That is just a lie. Soldiers do help, but they are not the first. You will find that state based volunteer organisations are first responders. Some of their members may receive government assistance that in real cash terms is less than the yearly sum veterans receive. Less still than what soldiers receive in training and equipment. Less again for injury or death. I don’t doubt your conviction and ability to fight for your “fellow mates”. Its the notion of a fair go I doubt.
K.A. Schmidt
In the light of this week’s combined media release from MP Stuart Robert and Senator Michael Ronaldson, it would seem the next move is for a barrage of letters to Tony Abbott, Federal Liberal MPs and those preselected. Ronaldson and Robert indicate a coalition government would provide “fair, just and equitable indexation of military superannuation pensions”. However, this is no more than hot air unless we can pin MPs down to a pledge that they would introduce the changes within a short time of taking charge (within six months would seem feasible).
Hi John Lawrence, I see you were with “Old Faithful” 67-68. Do you know my brother Graham Fox? He was wounded in the Nui Thuy Vi about three months (1968) into your tour. Ended up losing his leg below the knee and went on to serve his 20 years, most of it in Ordinance Corps.
I am Ken Fox BTW. (Hate hiding behind a nick name.) I served with 6 RAR second tour 69-70 and ended up completing 21.5 years in RA Inf.
G’day F Jinn, just to put it all into perspective. The average superannuation pension paid to a Service man or woman who has served our Nation for 20 years or more is just over $24,000.00 per annum. This is indexed against the CPI and the Australian Bureau of Statistics has stated categorically that the CPI is no longer a true indication of the real cost of living increases so this amount continues to lose its purchasing power. Now the Government made a commitment back in 1972 to ensure that our super was indexed to maintain parity with the actual cost of living increases. Obviously this is not happening. When we die our surviving spouses receive only 62.5% of our pension but they cannot roll it over into a fund of their own choice and this amount (about $14,500.00 per year) continues to be indexed against the CPI. The Government keeps the remaining 37.5%!!! Where is the Fair Go here, mate? We cannot roll our super over into a fund of our own choice as you can. Our spouse receives only 62.5% of our super (but only in fortnightly payments – cannot roll it over) but your spouse will receive 100% of your remaining super when you die and she/he can withdraw the lot, roll it over or a combination. There’s no rhetoric here mate. These are the facts. Neither $24,500.00 nor $14,500.00 puts much food on the table especially when rising costs far exceed the CPI. Our recent CPI increase gave most about $0.60 – $1.50 per week more, not enough to buy a loaf of bread but electricity continues to increase in cost, etc. This is what our fight for a Fair Go is all about. If you were in our situation would you join our fight or sit back and accept being treated like a second class citizen?
Hi Ken, i knew Simon Fox also a D.G Fox who was a cpl we called him graham. His number was 15896 also he served with us in charlie company. I was in nine platoon.
Dear DIGGER53 and JOHN LAWRENCE, very moving to read your comments.
All the best to you both and Digger53, thank you for telling us about your Dear Brother, we sometimes forget about Vietnam Vet amputees.
10…Sorry I forget my unusual brain injury. It is hard to think my way out of when I keep doing the same things expecting a different outcome. I wish you the best with the “Libs” and hope you find the caring government that keeps to its promises. … Niel, gunman will always be a class of their own.
G’day F Jinn, well you should thank Australia for having “gunmen” because without them you and your family would be living in a Japanese colony by now, that is if you were allowed to live at all. It’s so easy to sit back and say there is no need for wars but this is not utopia. By the way, I was conscripted but I have always acknowledged the need for the Australian Government (the people) to maintain a Defence Force. I just hope that Australia never has to rely on people like you to defend us in the event that we are being invaded. You should discuss such eventualities with your children. I’m sure that they would appreciate your justification for having them live as slaves and prisoners. You can sleep easy tonight.
Niel this is the only fact I found in all the comments. Well done. “These are the facts. Neither $24,500.00 nor $14,500.00 puts much food on the table especially when rising costs far exceed the CPI.” It applies to all Australians, including the slaves and prisoners….. I apologize that I did nothing when we were invaded.
G’Day John L and Tess,
John, you have the right Fox as in G.D. Fox 15896, will email this site to him so he can say “G’Day”.
Yes Tess re amputees, Graham is a tough old so&so, nothing stops him. Cheers.
Hi Ken, thats great news, i was asked on anzac day 2010 on the gold coast about Graham as no one had heard what had happened to Foxie. I remember that he always had us splitting with laughter with his sense of humour. The independent australia site is great as i have come across a few guys that i knew in nam. stay safe mate and hope we can all catch up one day for a few cold beers. cheers for now.
Well F. Jinn, you sir are nothing more than a dickhead, ppl like Neil Weekes have been fighting for a fairgo for a few years now. alot of his time is taken up by this campaign. He doesn’t get paid for this. you IMHO have no respect for soldiers of any war. you may as well put police and federal police in your warped mindset as these fine ppl are taught to aim at the chest if in any danger. You are not the bootlace of any of these ppl. This is the last time that i will answer any of your posts idiot.
Mr John Lawrence if that is the worst of me, then so be it. Gunman are trained in the use of the technology. Civilians are not. Its a pretty well used distinction. “Gunman culture”. Who do you serve?
Dear DIGGER53 and JOHN LAWRENCE, how good is this catch up with GRAHAM!
I get quite emotional with these online reunions, that I tear up – goodness knows how you must feel.
And how is it that John was asked about him too !!!!
It seems that all we are trying to do, is fix an old unworkable system. Perhaps the solution would be to institute a new one, where military personal could demand pay and conditions prior to embarking upon non-defense engagements (Iraq, Afghanistan,etc). Parliament could then vote for the appropriations to insure that the personnel were covered for all contingencies. At the same time they could vote to change the pension system to bring existing veterans at least up to par with the old age pension, perhaps even combine them, after all, there is a built in sunset clause, death.
Bastille Day is a fitting time to add the following link to this excellent chronicle of our campaign. The link shows ADSOs latest flyer which captures both the “Marie Antoinette” attitude of the Labor Government and the outrage of veterans ät the meagre CPI crumbs that have been tossed to them:
http://www.facebook.com/ray.gibson.942?ref=tn_tnmn#!/photo.php?fbid=423939770978063&set=a.258963227475719.59803.124050384300338&type=1&theater
Please share the link widely with email and/or facebook.
BRIEF REPORT ON PUBLIC FORUM
ON 9th JULY 2012
The Federal Member for Longman, Mr Wyatt Roy, MP organised a Veterans’ Community Forum which was held at the Caboolture Memorial Club (QLD) on Monday, 9th July 2012 from 10.00 am – 12.00 mid-day. The Forum was followed by a morning tea.
Senator, the Honourable Michael Ronaldson, Shadow Minister for Veterans’ Affairs, attended the Forum and, after some brief words and introduction by Mr Roy, Senator Ronaldson addressed the Forum before opening the Forum to questions from those attending.
There was a great roll-up with about 80 – 100 members, spouses and supporters in attendance. One of the Campaign Directors of the Fair Go Campaign and one of the leading forces within the Australian Defence Service Organisations (ADSO), Mr Ted Chitham, MC was also in attendance and Ted made some invaluable comments regarding PTSD.
Naturally the initial comments and questions centred around the recent comments made by our illustrious Federal Treasurer, the Honourable (?) Wayne Swan, MP who assured all those who listened to his recent interview on Radio 4BC that the indexation of our DFRB/DFRDB/MSBS military superannuation pensions using the CPI “…was a very generous..” system and that he supported the recommendation of the Matthews’ Report to retain it. Several members stated the obvious that Mr Swan did not have a clue about what was “generous” and what really represented “A Fair Go”, something that Mr Swan had been proclaiming and something which is one of the main “values” promoted by the ALP (although the Greens have recently said that the ALP has no values and I tend to agree with that sentiment!!).
After I had made some comments, at the invitation of Senator Rolandson, I posed this very direct question to him:
“Senator, assuming that the Op[position are elected to Government at the next election, and assuming that you will find that the budget is in a real mess and that there are black holes everywhere which may force you to reassess priorities, can you give us your absolute assurance that the matter of indexation will be fixed within the first term of office of your Government?” or words to that effect.
Senator Ronaldson then responded by explaining the Opposition’s commitment to fix the indexation issue within the first term. The Senator then emphasised the traditional importance of a hand-shake in that he believed that a hand-shake had more significance then all the written assurances. The Senator then walked over to me and, in front of all those attending, shook my hand to confirm his undertaking.
During subsequent discussions, during morning tea, Ted Chitham and I had additional discussions with the Senator who elaborated on his public commitment. He explained that his commitment was as per the Opposition’s sated policy, in that the Opposition would only fix the indexation for all those DFRB/DFRDB superannuants aged over 55. The Senator would not extend that commitment to any other groups. Ted and I expressed our disappointment with this and we suggested that the Senator should clarify this at all future meetings. We also emphasised the need to fix the indexation for all other groups as well as to restore the 2.7% to our disabled veterans, not granted as a result of the Harmer Review.
Senator Ronaldson acknowledged that were many related issues that needed fixing and Ted and I suggested that the Opposition, when in Government, should give an undertaking to fix all these remaining matters as part of a consolidated plan.
Before the Forum commenced, I spoke to the Senator regarding the need to have the Motion regarding indexation, which Mr Oakeshott had presented to the Lower House, and that had been debated prior to the House of Representatives rising for the winter recess, should be resurrected for further discussion.
After the Forum, I again raised this with Mr Roy as he is a member of the Lower House.
Subsequently I forwarded the following email to both Mr Roy and to Senator Ronaldson:
“G’day Wyatt,
Great to meet you at the Public Forum at Caboolture yesterday. It was a very successful forum with a very good attendance, so congratulations on your initiative for organising it. Senator Ronaldson spoke very well and I think that most of the attendees were impressed with his candid, honest comments and by his obvious interest and commitment.
You will recall that, after the Forum, I discussed with you the need to have the House of Representatives continue to debate the Motion put forward by Mr Oakeshott regarding the indexation of military superannuation. This Motion had been debated before Parliament’s winter recess but time for debate had elapsed. As I understand it, it is now up to a Committee, chaired by the Leader of the House, Mr Albanese, to decide whether or not to list this matter for further debate and that this will be determined by other “priority” matters!!!
In all probability, therefore (at least in my humble opinion) the Government will try to “bury” this matter as, if it is debated further, the Independents and the Greens might support the Motion which will place the Government in a difficult position. I think that the Government will try to simply let this matter go to sleep!! By the way, I did raise this matter with Senator Ronaldson before the forum commenced.
Consequently, it would be appreciated if you could ask the Leader of the Opposition, Mr Tony Abbott, MP to formally write to Mr Albanese to request that the Committee reschedule this matter as a priority.
Secondly, I understand that staff from your office videoed yesterday’s Forum? Would it be possible to get a copy of that video, ASAP, please? We would like to promote the Opposition’s position on these matters to our Defence community and the video will be invaluable in getting the word out to our various websites.
Again, Wyatt, well done yesterday.
Cheers,
Neil Weekes”
Some of you may also be aware that the ADSO coordinated some very successful protest rallies, last Thursday to coincide with payday, when many of our members received that huge increase to their ComSuper payment following the 0.1% increase to the CPI.
There will be more rallies organised, all peaceful, so watch this space and register with the ADSO website (www.standto.org) and please become involved.
This is a copy of an email I sent to Channel Nine and to Alan Jones in an attempt to attract some media attention:
G’day Tess, Amy and Alan,
This is the latest graph which vividly depicts how our miserly military superannuation pension is slowly but inexorably losing its purchasing power as it continues to be indexed against the CPI which, as you know, the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) has publicly stated is no longer a true indicator of the real cost of living increases. Yet our Honourable Treasurer, Mr Wayne Swan, MP has publicly stated that this is a very generous system even though the average pension, after serving our Nation for 20 years or more (in the prime years of our life) is $24,836.00. And this average is highly inflated by the very generous pensions received by our Generals. The average for our lower ranks is much less than $24,836.00. That’s why the average superannuant received between $0.60 – $1.50 in the latest half yearly CPI adjustments – not enough to buy a loaf of bread. Very generous indeed, Mr Swan especially considering that your personal salary has increased by mere $105,000.00 in the last six months.
Then of course our surviving spouses only receive 62.5% of our pension (an average of $15,522.00 per year) and that continues to be indexed against the CPI, even though at that stage of their lives most are really pensioners! And why can’t our spouses roll this super over like other Australians? Why can’t they draw it out as a lump sum? And why aren’t they entitled to 100% of the remaining super like most other Australians are when their partner dies? And what happens to the remaining 37.5% of the deceased member/s super?
And these are just some examples of the litany of discriminatory practices that this and previous Government have applied to our Defence personnel.
No wonder we are angry and that we feel absolutely betrayed by our Nation and by our Government.
All we want is a fair go – the same “Fair Go” as regularly espoused by Mr Swan. All we want is to be treated the same way as our Old Aged Pensioners – to receive exactly the same percentage increase to our super as they receive twice yearly to their pension.
Is that asking for too much?
Amy, I hope Channel Nine follows up on this as it is a National disgrace. By the way the Alliance of Defence Service Organisations (ADSO) conducted a few small public protests last Thursday (payday when we received those massive CPI increases), including in the electorates held by Mr Swan and Ms Penny Wong. Surprising several Australian Federal Police Officers arrived at some of these rallies? It appears that big brother is keeping a close eye on us? More rallies are being planned, all legal of course.
Cheers,
Neil Weekes, AM, MC
Brigadier (Retired)
2/68 Pacific Drive
Banksia Beach
BRIBIE ISLAND QLD 4507
Home telephone: 07 34088849
Mobile: 0403008102
Note the interest of the AFP in some of these rallies (which included the seats held by Mr Swan and Ms Penny Wong). Seems we might be getting under the skin of some politicians.
Great to see a plan come together.
Well done to the ADSO and to all those who participated in these rallies or who wrote letters to the pollies on their massive ComSuper increases.
Keep involved and stay tuned and please tell your mates and your civilian friends.
Neil Weekes
PREPARATION FOR POSSIBLE FUTURE PROTEST RALLIES
SITUATION
As many of you will be aware, the Alliance of Defence Service Organisations (ADSO) coordinated a series of small, but very successful, protest rallies outside the offices of several politicians, including the offices of Wayne Swan and Penny Wong, on Thursday 11th July 2012, to coincide with “payday” when many of you would have received that massive increase to your ComSuper pension following the 0.1% increase as a result of a rise in the CPI!!! I will not bore you with the reaction to Mr Swan’s statement on 4BC recently when he said that the DFRB/DFRDB superannuation schemes were “…very generous schemes…” and that he supported the recommendation of the Matthews’ Review to retain the CPI as the indexation of our superannuation pension. You all know that Mr Swan has recently had pay rises totalling some $105,000.00 over the last six months so our increases of $0.60 – $1.50 per fortnight were very generous indeed. Ray Martin tells me that he refused to accept his increase and donated it to Legacy instead.
Based on these facts, and at relatively short notice, the ADSO Team went into action and organised these very peaceful, co-ordinated and very well-organised protest rallies.
From all accounts these rallies were very successful, despite the attendance of some officers from the Australian Federal Police at some of the rallies. Seems we may be causing some concern to some of these pollies?
Congratulations to the ADSO Team and to all those who participated in these rallies and to those who wrote their letters.
OUTLINE PLAN
We are now looking at the possibility of conducting further rallies but this time we would like to co-ordinate a series of larger rallies at the offices of every ALP/Greens/Independent Politician who holds a marginal seat.
These rallies need to be well-organised, co-ordinated and conducted at exactly the same time on the same date at every nominated office.
It does not matter if only 5 – 10 members participate in each rally location, but it would be far more effective if we had large gatherings of veterans, retired members, their spouses, families and friends involved at each politician’s office.
Members will be encouraged to wear medals and/or other insignia clearly identifying the Defence association.
A nominated spokesperson would be given a prepared script to ensure that all our messages at all these rallies are the same.
Members would be requested to have some placards prepared so that, again, we are all singing the same song from the same sheet of music. It would be great if these placards could be held and displayed by our spouses and/or families.
Rallies would not have to last long, probably no longer than an hour.
During this time, members would be asked to distribute flyers and to deliver letters personally to the office of the politician. Draft letters will be provided.
POSSIBLE DUPLICATION
It is acknowledged that some members will be registered with both my website (www.justafairgo.net) and with the ADSO website (www.standto.org)
Unfortunately, for many reasons, we do not know in which electorate many of those members who are registered on my website are living in. This will make it difficult to co-ordinate these rallies.
TASK
Consequently, I am asking you all a favour to ensure that we get our messages out to everyone in plenty of time about these rallies. In particular it will be essential to appoint a spokesperson for each rally. A prepared script will be provided for each spokesperson. That spokesperson will also be responsible for contacting the other registered members living in the same post code/electorate. He/She will need to know the emails and/or the telephone numbers of all those who have indicated that they are prepared to participate in these rallies. The spokesperson or leader will have to notify the local media and inform the police but not until the day before the rallies.
Rallies will be planned to coincide with a Parliamentary recess in an endeavour to “catch” the politicians in their offices. Security of timings and dates will be important, otherwise the pollies will simply not turn up to their offices.
Therefore could you please complete the attached proforma and send it back to me via email or fax ASAP but by no later than 31 July 2012? My fax number is: 0734088849. As this is a phone/fax number please give me a call first to advise me that a fax is on the way. You can call me on my mobile, 0403008102, to give this warning.
CONCLUSION
While we have had some success with our letter writing campaigns, our radio interviews and our TV interviews (and we must continue to conduct more of these) it is about time that we took some positive, more aggressive (but completely legal and absolutely non-violent) actions leading up to the next election.
The recent rallies have shown that we can do this, and do it very well. However, we need larger numbers.
WE NEED YOU to become involved so please indicate your willingness to participate on the attached proforma and stay tuned.
If these rallies are well-organised and well co0ordinated, occurring all around Australia at every marginal ALP/Greens/Independent seat, we will gain media exposure.
We are in this fight until we win. We owe it to all those who have served, to those who are still serving and to their families.
By the way I will be working with the ADSO Team to coordinate these rallies so the final plan will be issued by the ADSO but I will distribute it through my website as well.
Cheers,
Neil Weekes
(Apologies, however I was unable to post the proforma. If you want a copy please email me and I will send one to you. [sealure2@bigpond.net.au])
From: Neil [mailto:sealure2@bigpond.net.au]
Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2012 1:14 PM
To: ‘Alan Jones’
Cc: Subject: RE: Military Superannuation
G’day Alan,
Thanks for your response, much appreciated as I know how busy you are.
Yes, reasonable observations, Alan, but it is offensive to us to be linked with the Public Servants. They have completely different conditions of service. They are not required to serve anywhere at any time. They can go on strike for better pay. They have rostered days off. They do not sleep with their eyes and ears wide open on rocky or muddy ground.
The Government made a commitment to index our superannuation so that it maintains parity with the real increases to the cost of living. This commitment has been broken by successive Governments since the CPI was assessed by the ABS as no longer maintaining parity with the cost of living increases.
Alan, you know better than anyone (I’ve seen you and listened to on the radio and on TV) that the Government will obfuscate the real issues and use hyperbole so as to make the public believe them. Lindsay Tanner’s comments about the forces of darkness are valid.
Contrary to what the Government (Penny Wong, Wayne Swan and Nick Minchin have said) argues about this creating a huge black hole in the budget of some $6.2 BILLION, they don’t add that this has been extrapolated out to 45 years. They do not mention anything about the “clawback”, that is every time a military superannuant receives a CPI increase their Service Pension (if they are receiving one from CentreLink) goes down. The Government also fails to state that this is a decreasing liability as the number of superannuants continues to decrease annually in ever-increasing numbers.
Our experts have calculated that the real cost is about $20 MILLION annually. We are spending a hell of a lot more on just refurbishing the PM’s Sydney office, not to mention the amount we are spending on these illegal boat people.
Finally, Alan, we must not let the Government get away with this National disgrace by allowing them to confuse everyone by lumping us together with the Commonwealth Public Servants. The Government has a moral obligation, it’s a principle, to find the money to reinstate this condition of service. It is a breach of contract and we, the Defence Community, have been betrayed by our Nation through successive Governments.
It is complete hypocrisy, a complete lie for Nick Minchin to state that “the payments are maintained in real terms..” What nonsense!!! A dollar 10 years ago cannot buy the same amount as a dollar today, and a dollar in 20 years will not buy the same as a dollar today. Look at our recent CPI increases, between $0.30 – $1.50 per fortnight BEFORE tax. Not enough to buy a stamp, let alone a loaf of bread or a bottle of milk. This 0.1% increase will never cover the rapidly increases to the cost of electricity, etc. Have you seen the latest chart which graphically depicts how we are being treated? See below.(Apologies, the graph would not copy here)
I agree that the Commonwealth Public Servants have also been badly treated but that is a completely separate fight and they need to fight that separately.
Anyhow, Alan, while I am disappointed with your response, I thank you for taking an interest in this matter and, especially, for responding. I will not hound you with emails.
Cheers,
Neil
Mobile: 0403008102
Home: 0734088849
From: Alan Jones [mailto:alanjones@2gb.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2012 11:52 AM
To: sealure2@bigpond.net.au
Subject:
17 July 2012
Dear Neil,
I’ve read that material and I’m well aware of the arguments, Neil, that you’re mounting. But my view is this.
The issue here is, in the first place, all claims made upon the public purse have to be rigorously analysed. You’d agree with that. I know the Howard Government rejected this and the argument was, to quote Nick Minchin, “There is no inherent logic to the proposition that a public sector employment-related superannuation payment should be indexed in exactly the same fashion as a means-tested welfare benefit”, in this case, the aged pension.
He said, “Defence personnel have their superannuation payments indexed in the same way that all other Commonwealth public servants on defined benefit schemes have their payments indexed … the payments are maintained in real terms, which is what they signed up for”.
He says, “Changing the indexation for Defence personnel would create immediate demands for the same change to be made for all other former Commonwealth employees at a potentially enormous cost to taxpayers”.
I think that most probably is a fair and sensible observation.
With best wishes,
Alan Jones AO
Radio 2GB
Level 1, Building C,
33-35 Saunders St,
PYRMONT NSW 2009
e: alanjones@2gb.com
t: 8570 0000
f: 8570 0314
Thought that you might like to listen to this Radio 2UE broadcast:
http://www.2ue.com.au/blogs/2ue-blog/mp-pay-rise-while-veterans-get-01/20120704-21g3l.html
It is fabulous news Ted – please post this in our comments.
CONGRATS TO ALL.
VOTE 1 FOR VETERANS
onya,
tess
On 20/07/2012, at 1:50 AM, Ted Chitham wrote:
The Prime Minister says: Post and vote on OurSay!
THE RESULT
SUCCESS, WE WILL “HANGOUT” WITH THE PM
CONGRATULATIONS TEAM
We came second with 10,933 votes which secured us a seat at the live web broadcast on Saturday 21 July at 11 am when the PM will answer the three winning questions. Tune in here to watch it live.
The results were
First, 12,749 votes and 511 comments
Second, 10,933 votes and 598 comments
Third, 10,756 votes and 562 comments
A big thank you to all who voted and/or made a comment/contribution to support David Jamison’s question and other like questions. You stood up when the call came for action at such short notice.
The result has shown our ability to our defence community, our plight to the Australian people and our strength to the Parliament. The comments reveal the deep concern to the injustice and unfairness of our military superannuation pension indexation. We have catalogued those comments
We look forward to David Jamison’s questioning the PM and her answers
The Sydney Morning Herald has reported the result in an article Love, religion overtake tax for ‘hangout’ with PM
The ADSO team is proud of you who voted, who mustered family and friends, and who used social media to pass our question to a wider and supportive audience. Please give them our thanks and congratulations.
We invite all those not enrolled in the Fair Go Campaign to join us atwww.standto.org
This week we have shown that “Opportunities multiply as they are seized” – Sun Tzu.
UNITY IS STRENGTH
From the “Fair Go!” Team
Campaign Directors: Ted Chitham , Alf Jaugietis
Campaign National Spokesperson: David Jamison
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Was in hospital all day yesterday having some minor surgery and was not discharged until late this afternnon, so I weas unaware of this fantastic result We got SECOND billing in the OurSay Hang Out With the PM. We should have got first place if all our DFRB/DFRDB/MSBS recipients had particiopated and cast their votes!! But, I’m not complaining just pointing out that, if we can achieve this oustanding result in just three days, just think what we can do while leading up to the next election, especially if all 59,000 superannuants become involved, plus their families and their friens.
And don’t forget that we also need to fight for out diabled members.
As the song goes” GIVE ME SOME MEN WHO ARE STOUT-HEARTED MEN WHO WILL FIGHT FOR THE RIGHT THEY ADORE, START ME WITH TEN WHO ARE STOUT-HEARTED MEN AND I’LL SOON GIVE YOU 10,000 MORE”
Well done to everyone who got behind this call for help.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU ALL.
I encourage all of you to join the link tomorrow and participate if the opportunity presents itself.
Even the PM now knows that we are a force to be reckoned with.
WELL DONE ALL. TAKE A BOW!!
Well, what a sham. Then again I knew it would be. You could catch the waver of uncertainty in the PM’s voice when she was attempting to answer David Jamison’s question. As expected the PM mentioned that the change to indexation would cost our nation over $6 BILLION but she failed to elaborate. She made no mention that this included all the Commonwealth Public Servants, nor did she say that it had been extrapolated over 45 years. She also said that members of military superannuation schemes could contribute up to 30% of their salary into their super.
But the biggest betrayal of all was the extra stooges, all six of them, who were there to pose Dorothy Dix type questions, exactly as they do in the House of Representatives. These are pre-planned to allow the PM to rant and rave about her pet subjects I was under the impression that only the top three questions would be addressed. If that was the case, then how did these other questions on carbon tax, etc, get a run?
This was a set up but I think we all knew that it would be.
Similarly I knew that there would be no opportunity for David to challenge the PM’s response. When he tried he was simply ignored by the Facilitator.
This was simply a public affairs expose. However it has clearly demonstrated that this Government and this PM could not give a damn about us. The PM even stated that the CPI had been retained because it had been used for such a long time, or words to that effect. What a weak response.
Nevertheless we have placed her on notice that we are a very large, united and a well-organised force that will not go away and that our votes will count at the next election. Bring it on and the sooner the better.
Well done David Jamison.
What a sham. I suggest that we all make our anger and frustration known to the PM and to the University’s facilitator. Most other members who posed a question had an opportunity to ask a follow-up question but David Jamison was not allowed this. Why not?
Some members have already posted their comments.
Here is the link:
http://www.oursay.org/hangout-with-the-prime-minister/prime-minister-you-discriminate-against-defence-force-men-and-women-when-you-say-the-country-can-afford-fair-indexation-that#comment-14412
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I watched the “Hang out with the PM” and I was not impressed with the PM’s answer. More spin and the opposition will probably be no better. On another note I was speaking to a Recovery Mechanic who was on course at Bandiana and he was telling me about an e-mail by Neil Weekes that has been widely circulated. I encouraged him to keep passing on the message about Fair Indexation.
I left the following on OurSay facebook
David Weaver I tend to agree with Fi Ford. 11,000 people voted for a question which came second but received less time than questions that I did not see anywhere near the top of the voting list. David Jamison did not even get a chance to reply to the PM, yet others got several replies. Democracy! Don’t think so! Also there appeared to be several Dorothy Dix questions. I think OurSay and its supporters need to rethink what the voting and air time really mean. Is the subject more important than the vote? Does the receiver of the questions get to choose which question, if the questioner has a right of reply and how much time is spent on the question? My thought are that a democracy people get equal rights (time)! Maybe I’m old fashioned!
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• OurSay Hi David,
Just to give you some background about the nature of the project with Fairfax, Google, Deakin and the PM’s office; OurSay guaranteed the Top 3 questions would get asked of the PM, whilst Fairfax and the PM’s office picked the other questions from the website to provide diversity to the forum. It was unfortunate that time constraints didn’t work in David’s favour but we’re working to get some follow-up responses. Chris – Community Mgr.
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David Weaver Hi Chris,
Thank you for your response, but I have to take issue wth OurSay as your web site published the following extract regarding the Hangout with the PM.
“OurSay is proud to announce that the people responsible for the most strongly-supported questions shall be given a once in a lifetime opportunity: the chance to personally discuss their questions with Julia Gillard in a Google ‘Hangout’”
Discuss never really happened for the 11,000 voters of the second most popular question
“The Hangout will be mediated by political journalist Misha Schubert, who will facilitate conversation between Prime Minister and OurSay’s users to ensure an in-depth discussion of the concerns raised by the public”
In-depth discussion never really happened for the 11,000 voters of the second most voted for question! In fact the mediator actually cut David off in mid word!!!! That is not mediating.
“This OurSay discussion between the Prime Minister and her public represents the unbridled potential for advancement in democracy and leadership in the 21stcentury, and will hopefully be the start of a new and intimate relationship between our country’s leaders and the people who voted them into power.”
After what I saw today I have to say I think it is more a Grand Stage for the recipient of the questions than a relationship with our leaders. What about the 11,000 who voted to have an intimate discussion with the PM?
Also may I point out that if you were a company selling goods I would consider lodging a complaint with Consumer Affairs for false advertising.
David Weaver AM
Further response from OurSay to above
OurSay
Hi David. Many thanks for your response.
Please note we are small organisation with only one full time employee who is supported by a network of passionate volunteers. We are working towards a vision where citizens are brought into the decision making process however this is going to take sometime and will require political and cultural change. We are also learning about how the best process to allow this to happen – and we have learnt from this experience.
We are very keen to hear from you and work out how we can follow up on the response from the Prime Minister. Please contact us at theteam@oursay.org
This is a long read but read it, if you can and see if you can stop that feeling of anger swelling in your gut. Disgraceful.
G’day Jennifer,
What a shambles. I am ashamed that these brave men were treated so shabbily.
No wonder we feel so betrayed by our Governments, past and present.
I will post this to my website and forward it to some members of the Prime Ministerial Advisory Council.
We should not let incidents such as this one ever happen again.
Thank you for forwarding it to me.
My name is Neil.
Cheers,
Neil Weekes
From: Jennifer Ware [mailto:jennyware@aapt.net.au]
Sent: Sunday, 22 July 2012 9:47 PM
To: sealure2@bigpond.net.au
Cc: warren.snowdon.mp@aph.gov.au; michelle.rowland.mp@aph.gov.au; senator.ronaldson@aph.gov.au
Subject: Fw: I would like you to read this and it’s attachment please!
Hi Brigadier Weekes …
The following email and attachments has just arrived from one of the retired Submariners in my husband’s Submariners Association Group and has disgusted and incensed me to such a degree, I am sure the person who wrote the “Observations” will not object to this being passed on to you.
Again, I realise that the treatment of serving and retired members of the great Australian Defence Force is of no concern to our unpatriotic politicians, but if enough of us rattle their cage, perhaps one amongst them may have some humility left for Australians, of course that will only come after they have spread the country’s largesse far and wide overseas to the non Australian community … and of course lined their own pockets !!!
Thank you for your continued fight for “A Fair Go”
Kind regards
Jennifer Ware
(Wife of Colin Ware, retired Australian Navy Submariner)
Sydney
Subject: FW: I would like you to read this and it’s attachment please!
G’day fellow Rammers and Gunners,
A Secretary’s spray.
This came via member Ian (Bozo) Simpson and comprises the attached word.doc and a photo gallery at the end of the email.
It is the last of a long running reports concerning the problems with Australian WW11 Bomber Command diggers (around 10,000, served in Bomber Command, 6,000 RTA and now 70 years on there are bugger all of them left) who wished to return to London for the 70th dedication of the Bomber Command memorial. NZ decided early in the planning to fly all their vets to London and look after them professionally. After months of doing nothing other than selecting a chosen few, the Australian Government decided to pacify growing public opinion by offering $5,000 to each ‘unauthorised’ vet so they could make their own arrangements. That is the background to the story below and attached.
Most will recall the problems members of Delta Company 6 RAR endured recently when they were invited to Government House Canberra from all over the country to receive their award, but were denied any form of transport assistance. There are other similar stories.
We will also recall a number of ‘non Australians’ being flown from Christmas Islands to Sydney to attend the funeral of their families and friends who died off that Island on an unauthorised boat attempting to gain entry to Australia. I do not make issue with that; someone in authority made a decision and it occurred. A life is a life and should be protected and celebrated as best we can. But to also shamefully treat those who have served their country so well and put their LIVES on the line at the request of our Government and our country, is beyond my understanding.
And while the Bomber Command dedication was occurring what did our politicians do? Just stood in parliament and tried to out cry each other, with tears. Over what, some non-Australians also attempting to enter Australia without prior authority. Then after all those tears our Pollies still did nothing. What crap!
In my opinion, SHAME on our politicians and SHAME on the Department of Veterans Affairs.
PS: You will need to cut and past the link to get to the photos.
From: Name With held
Subject: I would like you to read this and it’s attachment please!
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 21:01:36 +1000
Lest We Forget
It is stories like these that make me ashamed of being an Aussie
I read the word document first before I read the rest of the email!!!
I hope these people have trouble sleeping for the rest of there lives.
Simmo.
I would like your opinion on this please!
Oie,
My psychologist, Beth Brosgarth who is also a war widow, who is also ex- Army Reservist (days gone by Rank Capt) who does also help Legacy, Police , Ambo’s, Government Bodies and especially ex servicemen who have been overseas in combat zones and are “lost” etc has sent me this report!
PLEASE READ ATTACHMENT after reading my segment!
Beth had went to the Bomber Command Reunion in London on her way home from Europe with her son and she did arrive home yesterday, very tired with jet-lag but also very angry of what happened and the way the vets were treated by the DVA and funnily enough by the RAAF!!!
She was so incensed she rang me the night before and vented out her feelings, thus putting “pen to paper” has cleaned it up from the original copy has sent me this copy. She has put her name and contact info in as well and is ready for a fight!
I wish for you to read it…you might be as disgusted as I was the way some of these vets from WWII were treated by the DVA and the RAAF (typical).
IS there anyone we can send this to, namely RSL Rep, papers etc please do so and pass it on to your veterans mates that you know who might pass it on to their mates to get the ball rolling of our disgust and treatment these vets got!!!
My feeling is to send a copy “to the boys” hopefully passing it along to someone who will “shout!” enough that we will be heard once again to the DVA and this Government!
Beth is en tending to send a copy to each Director in each State and is prepared with photos and her son as witness to bring this matter up
Photos are below..click on!
You are invited to view Beth.Brosgarth’s photo album: DVA and Bomber Command Veterans London June 2012
DVA and Bomber Command Veterans London June 2012
Jun 26, 2012
By Beth.Brosgarth
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AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT AND DEPARTMENT OF VETERAN AFFAIRS’ SHAMEFUL TREATMENT OF BOMBER COMMAND VETERANS IN LONDON LAST WEEK
My son and I have just attended the three Bomber Command Memorial ceremonies in London. I am a War Widow. I have served for almost 15 years as a psychologist in the Army Reserve. My husband was in Bomber Command. He died 20 years ago. My son and I wanted to attend three commemoration ceremonies in London to honour him, the 55,573 lost air crew and the surviving veterans. This experience has detracted from our ability to totally and respectfully remember, as we had wished. I would like to compile some observations and concerns regarding the events. They have made me feel ashamed of the treatment of some of our veterans who attended. I wish to expose the real stories even though I am very tired and jet lagged because my friends in Australia told me that the press coverage here has been “glossy.” The stories I tell are far from glossy!
There was an official group of veteran delegates who went with DVA. From my knowledge, they were flown business class, were given generous clothes allocations including an Akubra hat that was donated by the Department of Housing. (Due to a shortage virtually none of the “other” veterans got a hat but note that all the DVA staff did have one!) The veteran delegates and all the DVA staff were accommodated in a good hotel. There were DVA staff (about 1:3) allocated “only” for the delegates with no brief to assist with the other veterans. In fact after the Runnymede memorial ceremony, a veteran collapsed and was bleeding profusely. I gave my tissues to help soak up the blood and then ran to ask if there was a doctor. Elizabeth Cosson (whose identity I only knew 3 days later) was VERY inhumane and dismissive in her attitude. When I asked if there was a doctor there she said to me “They (DVA) had no responsibility except for the official delegation!” The veteran was finally taken to hospital by WO1 Lynne Foster (RSM Ceremonial) who stayed with him for 4 hours while he was triaged and treated. The remaining veterans had no shelter or drinks as they waited for buses. I have a photo of all of the empty bottles of water that were supplied. They fitted onto a plastic chair there were so few. During this period, I and others voiced our concerns and dissatisfaction with the shambolic organisation to Elizabeth Cosson. That was before I knew who she was (i.e. that she is a Major General and is the Managing Director of DVA!) Her only retort to Jane and me was “Why is everyone blaming me?” THE BUS FIASCO The bus to the Air Force Memorial at Runnymede left from Holiday Inn at Kensington at 8.15 am. Our bus had no air-conditioning and in fact the heaters were on and the driver could not turn them off. The driver said he would try to put the air-conditioning on but this was never achieved. My son opened the 2 vents at the top of the roof. This was the only, inadequate ventilation. The buses were late when we were waiting to travel to Australia House about 1.30. Veterans were waiting in the sun on the roadside. (I have photos) The bus we finally caught had no air vents at all. One lady reported that she could not touch the zipper on her dress as it was too hot. By the time the veterans arrived at Australia House about 2.30pm, they had no drinks or food for about 7 hours. Elizabeth Cosson was sitting behind me in the bus. A daughter of a veteran was sitting opposite me and later remarked that Elizabeth Cosson seemed to finally realise how physically compromised the veterans were and how upset many of us were about this. At no stage did I ever hear Elizabeth Cosson voice any empathy, understanding or apology or in fact, show humanity. I heard her ring someone and ask for bottled water to be available for the vets when we arrived at Australia House. THEY WERE NOT provided. One bus totally broke down so some veterans did not make it to Australia House at all. Despite fewer to cater for, they still “ran out of orange juice!” One of the organisers of the non-delegate veteran group reported that there were 13 veterans in their bedroom at the hotel at a “sick parade” at the hotel that afternoon. I was told that the doctor who attended (assumedly the “official Australian doctor”) told these veterans that they should have had their own doctor. The organiser also said that we were fortunate that no veteran died on the buses. THE OFFICIAL MEMORIAL UNVEILING AND DEDICATION SERVICE 28th June 2012 I did not see Elizabeth Cosson here. In fact there were DVA staff in the Memorial area (seated as evidenced on the photos and on film that). There seemed to be fewer “veterans without akubra hats” in this area. A veteran (non delegate) whom my son and I were supporting told us later that there was a spare seat next to him. He has had bowel cancer and was too unwell to have breakfast that morning before the ceremony. His wife was very worried about him. My son took an umbrella to give to Frank prior to the service starting as there was a light shower of rain. After the service Frank’s wife was very concerned about his condition and wanted to check on him. I asked my son to walk up to the Memorial area to see if he could find Frank. Then I went to some DVA staff on the side of our area. I asked them if there was a phone connection to the Memorial area that could be used to locate Frank. When they asked me what he looked like, I showed them his photo. They then commented that “Everyone has white hair!” I replied “NOT as white as his” but again they were obviously unwilling to assist any veteran except for the veterans in the delegation. Yet again, WO1 Lynne Foster came and said that she would walk Frank’s wife to the Memorial area. The DVA and RAAF staff were both unwilling to assist and discriminatory in the treatment of our veterans. This was at the end of a day which totally contrasted to the Runnymede “fiasco” as at the official ceremony hosted by the RAF, the young Air Force members from Universities throughout the UK were the epitome of helpfulness, caring, patience and consideration. Nothing was a problem for them. They were a credit to the RAF and provided a stark contrast to the DVA staff who seemed just to be “posing” and totally unwilling to render any real assistance. At Runnymede on the Tuesday, my son took a 94 year old veteran to the toilet. Not ONE DVA or RAAF person offered to assist even though the veteran was 94, in a wheel chair and had been recently discharged from hospital. After the ceremony, my son and I queued to see the memorial itself. We were in the queue with a RAAF person who was the MC at the service at the Australian War Memorial on the Saturday. We commented 0n the organisational debacle the day at Runnymede and then at Australia house had been. He then “revealed” that he had something to do with the “organisation” and said that they had “learned lessons from it and e.g. would not use the same bus company again!” Well that was a pretty safe commitment as for these veterans this was no a dress rehearsal. Why would they have “economised” on buses for these veterans – and on food and drinks?
Visit to RAF Museum Hendon Friday 29th An invitation was issued assumedly by DVA to “other” veterans to attend this. The temperature that day had plunged from about 28 the day before to about 16 degrees. The daughter of the 94 year old veteran accompanied her father. Whilst there, she found the DVA staff and veteran delegates inside having a hot meal. She expressed her anger as the “other veterans” were given a bag of sandwiches outside!
SERVICE AT CLEMENTS ST DANES THE RAF CHURCH There was a service here. NONE of the “other” veterans were informed about it, let alone invited to attend.
THE SERVICE AT THE AUSTRALIAN WAR MEMORIAL Saturday 30th June It seems that there was NO EFFECTIVE DATA BASE OF THE “OTHER VETERANS.” Dr Ron Houghton the long term President of Bomber Command Association was staying in the RAF Club across the road. They announced that they were looking for him before the ceremony. After the ceremony commenced, I saw Dr Houghton in the front of the “other veterans”, far removed from the official delegates. I pointed out his presence to DVA staff who said he could not lay the wreath as someone else had already taken his place. I again went to the side and told WO1 Lynne Foster and shortly after they miraculously found a “spare wreath” so the man who had been the driving force behind the Bomber Command association did finally get to lay a wreath after a “battle” that should never have had to be waged! That Ron was not noticed is probably because of the following! NOTE THERE WERE TWO SEATING AREAS AT THIS CEREMONY! ALL THE DELEGATES (WITH HATS) WERE IN THE FRONT 2 ROWS IN FRONT OF THE MEMORIAL. THEN THERE WAS A HUGE GRASSY “NO MAN’S LAND” BEHIND THEM WITH NO SEATING. THEN THE “REST OF THE VETERANS” AND RELATIVES WERE IN AN AREA BEHIND – IT WAS LIKE WE WERE QUARANTINED” (of course it would not have been so the footage could only be of the veteran delegates could it??) Surely it could not have been DVA and the Australian Government selectively focused on a neatly turned out group of veterans so they could pat their collective backs about and say what a great job they had done! (NB! ONLY VERY belatedly and after the Australian government was shamed into doing something because New Zealand had their act together long before and were flying veterans and appropriate medical support with them etc!
SUMMARY As a proud Australian, as a War Widow of a Bomber Command pilot, as an officer in the Army Reserve for 14+ years, as the grand daughter of a Boer War and Gallipoli and Western Front veteran, the events of the last week which were presided over and condoned therefore by Elizabeth Cosson, make me ashamed. My son and I wanted to attend these events to honour the memory of my husband and his father. For us it completes the cycle after losing him 20 years ago. I postponed my return flight and paid for an extra single fare home after attending the Australian service. My son and I were honoured and privileged to be able to support any veterans and families that we could. It is a disgrace that DVA let our “other veterans” down! My purpose for writing this is to give an insight into what happened behind the scenes and hopefully for REAL AUSTRALIANS to call on DVA, Elizabeth Cosson and the Australian Government to give a full, honest and unembellished account! The glossy photos and choreographed films do NOT tell the real story. The men were ALL pleased to be alive and be there to remember their mates who did not come back. They were the ultimate in courage, unity, team players extraordinaire. To see them now at 90ish, the spirit and dignity is still there. THEY will not complain even if they were affected by feeling excluded. They are icons. DVA is a disgrace.
WO1 Lynne Foster throughout the mismanagement was outstanding. She was compassionate, she showed initiative and exemplary leadership and in so doing provided an example of how ALL the DVA and RAAF staff and particularly Major General Elizabeth Cosson, should have been. She performed her duties magnificently and went above and beyond this. Thank you WO1 Lynne Foster so much. You were like a shining beacon, a true Australian.
Oh I forgot! ONE DVA member after the final ceremony saw Keith, the 94 year old veteran, sitting in the sun and gave him her Akubra hat to keep. Thank you! Better late than never but at least one of the 60 other veterans who did not get an Akubra, got one to wear home!! The others are still waiting for theirs. Perhaps the “generous” allowance of $5000 to the “other veterans” can be used to buy a hat for themselves. There will not be ANY change from their air fares, hotel costs etc!
The sculptures of the airmen at the Memorial, have been created without rank as the sculptor said that everyone was important as part of the bomber crew. It is a disgrace to ALL Australians that DVA created a scenario in which the non delegate Australian veterans received discriminatory treatment consistently through the week. Lest we forget.
(Mrs) Beth Brosgarth 49 Pacific Parade, Manly 2095. Email beth@brosgarth.com.au. Mobile +61412410979
COPY OF EMAIL BY DAUGHTER OF 94 YEAR OLD VETERAN RECEIVED BY BETH 5TH June 2012
Hi Beth
Sorry I couldn’t talk for long but my phone credit was nearly all gone. Good letter just one point to make the DHA were going to supply all the non delegates with hats but they didn’t send enough and only a few people were lucky enough to receive one, due to short delivery.
I think the DVA should give the Vets some compensation for the stuff ups, coach problem and them getting the bare minimum, no lunches until the penultimate day, and the packed lunch, not to be eaten in the refreshment area because the delegates were invited to a hot lunch. $5000.00 does not cover their trip and they have been made to feel like second class citizens, while no expense was spared with the delegation!
The delegation got wined and dined the whole trip, and for the large majority of those traveling on their own they needed assistance which was provided by the kindness of the able bodied, in the group traveling independently. The delegation didn’t need all the minders, they were the fit ones! This was proved by the fact that when I went into the restaurant the minders were having a little lunch party while the delegation went back to the museum area across the road on their own. We were left to support and push wheel chairs for our Veterans in the group. I believe the ratio of delegates to minder was one to three delegates, and yet there were very few who needed extra assistance!
It would have been nice if ALL the Vets had been invited to the River Cruise and lunch on the last day, and been a great finale for ALL the men.
Regards
J
Here are the three podcasts of my radio interview with Peter and Di Schoutens on Radio Ballarat, last Monday 16 July 2012.
Could you please post these links to our website?
It’s a long interview and I appreciate the time given to me by Peter and Di.
http://www.voicefm.com.au/voice-media/Retired-Brigadier-Neil-Weekes-160712-Pt-1.mp3
http://www.voicefm.com.au/voice-media/Retired-Brigadier-Neil-Weekes-160712-Pt-2.mp3
http://www.voicefm.com.au/voice-media/Retired-Brigadier-Neil-Weekes-160712-Pt-3.mp3
Hopefully these should work. If they don’t, the following link will take anyone to the radio’s website and the podcasts page so that they can then click on the links to hear the interview…..
http://www.voicefm.com.au/topics/podcasts/
To all those who are members of my website, http://www.justafairgo.net, I will be putting out a Warning Order tomorrow, Wednesday 25 July 2012, which forecasts the proposed conduct of coordinated protest rallies just prior to Vietnam Veterans’ Day.
These rallies will be coordinated with the ADSO. Where there is a Local Action Group (LAG) Leader in an electorate that Leader will take the lead. However there will be many areas in which no LAG has been established yet. This is not essential as all we will be asking for is for all those who can to turn up outside the office of your local Federal member (of all political parties and Independants) at a particular time. Numbers are not really critical but we do need at least five members to turn up at each office. Obviously larger numbers will be far more effective. Families and friends are encouraged to attend. Medals to be worn. We will provide draft letters to be delivered to the office of the Federal members. We will provide a script that can be used by an elected spokesperson to brief the media if they turn up. We will robvide the wording for the placards but someone may have to pay for their production (not expensive and suggest Office Works could do the job).
More to follow so watch this column, watch http://www.justafairgo.net and http://www.standto.org
From little things, big things grow. We will need your support especially all those who have already kindly indicated that they are volunteers and are prepared to participate.
Neil
G’day Beth,
Thanks for your prompt reply. About to call it a night.
Could you please give me a brief overview of what happened at Runnymede as you mention it on several occasions?
No I did not get a copy of Liz Cosson’s letter to you. Could you send me a copy please?
Both MAJGEN Cosson and MAJGEN Kelly are now retired from the ADF but they can continue to use their rank when involved with military topics/matters. However they should always add the word (Retired) at the end of their name.
Mark Kelly used to be one of my Platoon Commanders many, many years ago and I had a great deal of respect for him. I would be bitterly disappointed if he was aware of the shabby treatment you and the veterans were receiving but did nothing to correct that. Mark was highly regarded as a Commanding Officer as he looked after his men and knew everyone of them by name. I will not pass judgement on him until I see his response, not that this implies that I do not believe your observations are accurate. As I said, I will be bitterly disappointed if he failed to act.
I am also disappointed with the apparent inaction by Admiral Ken Doolan, the National President of the RSL. I hope that he has initiated some action “behind the scenes” but he needs to follow up on this.
Cheers,
Neil
From: beth brosgarth
Sent: Tuesday, 24 July 2012 11:06 PM
To: Neil
Subject: RE: From Beth Brosgarth
Dear Neil
Great to hear from you. I did send the stuff to the National RSL president over 2 weeks ago and not one word of acknowledgement. They are mealy mouthed and as pathetic as the DVA staff and most politicians..
I have no idea in what direction Mark Kelly will jump but assumedly to save his now fat cat neck.
How much does a Major General in the Army get paid?
How much would he and Cosson get paid now? All on the gravy train!
In that whole debacle after Runnymede ceremony, she did not show ANY evidence of leadershipor initiative let alone caring! Who chose her to be a leader? I might have been a lowly psychology captain but I thought it was that I had to show initiative and set an example and muck in and do things if necessary that I expected the others to do. Maybe I had a warped sense of leadership but if I were selecting at Defence Force Recruiying again she would be culled! How did she pass a selection Board??
You would have a belly laugh if you could see the picture of herself she provided for the official who’s who directory.Totally unrecognisable hair flowing and a shot taken 30 years ago after a makeover!! No resemblance to the person in the photo I took who looked as if she was sucking on a dozen lemons at once. I did not know who she was till days later! she was just to me a wizzened sour faced DVA person needing a personality transplant!!
Did you ever get a copy of the letter she sent me?
I should refer you to the “bigger” and not nasty Picasa album I did. My son and I are “on it!”
Got to go and do my real work for an hour or 2.
Talk soon and great to be in contact.
Wish we could march on parliament but she and Tim would be headed to london Olympics for another jaunt!
Beth
WARNING ORDER
OPERATION AWARE 2
Situation.
Following the successful series of protest rallies on 12 July 2012, organised by the Alliance of Defence Service Organisations (ADSO) to coincide with the first payment of our huge CPI increases (!!!!!), the ADSO is organising Operation “AWARE 2”. This will involve a series of activities leading up to Vietnam Veterans’ Day (18 August) but there will be no planned activities scheduled for Vietnam Veterans’ Day.
An excerpt from the ADSO warning Order, see http://www.standto.org, follows:
“Op AWARE2 will begin Monday 6 August and continue until Vietnam Veteran’s Day 18 Aug. Its objectives are to increase the public awareness of, and influence all politicians to, two major issues: Veterans’ Disability Pension indexation and Military Superannuation indexation.
The Op will follow similar lines to OP AWARE 1.
• Release via social media, radio, press on 6 August
• During the period hold community forums in selected areas at RSL Sub-Branch locations, if approved by each RSL management committee, or at other community facilities.
• Distribution of Flyers, placards, information kits and appropriate handouts
• A peaceful supporters’ assembly at ALL local MP Offices on Friday 17 August (date to be confirmed) at noon for one hour (similar to the CPI protests on 12 July).
• We will not actively campaign on Vietnam Veterans’ Day. “
Mission
To increase the public awareness of, and influence all politicians to, two major issues: Veterans’ Disability Pension indexation and Military Superannuation indexation.
Execution
All members are encouraged to write a letter to their Federal member, their Senators and the Prime Minister. Draft letters will be provided. Members will be requested to fax these letters by 13 August 2012. Fax numbers will be provided or are available through http://www.aph.gov.au/Senators_and_Members/Parliamentarian_Search_Results?q=&sen=1&par=-1&gen=0&ps=0 and http://www.aph.gov.au/Senators_and_Members/Members .
Letters may also be delivered personally to the offices of the Federal politicians, House of Representative Members and Senators, as a prelude to the protest rallies.
The ADSO will try to organise a series of community forums leading up to Vietnam Veterans’ Day. ADSO will advise details.
A series of co-ordinated rallies will be held on Thursday, 17 August outside the office of all Federal politicians. Placards will be required. Words for these placards will be provided.
Details
• All members, their families, their friends and all supporters are encouraged to participate in these protest rallies. We need at least five members protesting at or near the electoral office of every Federal politician.
• All veterans are encouraged to wear medals.
• All participating members are encouraged to bring one of their letters and to hand these to their Federal Member and/or Senator, or to the staff of these members.
• Members are encouraged to assemble outside the office of their Federal politician (Member and/or Senator) by NLT 1200 hrs (AEST) on Friday, 17 August. Those members residing in other time zones are requested to assemble at the equivalent time in their zone/State (for example, those residing in WA are requested to assemble at 1000 hrs).
• Members are requested to bring professionally prepared placards. (These will have to be made by members. They are not expensive and Office Works can produce them). It is suggested that the placards should be carried by the families or supporters.
• Members are encouraged to bring portable, battery operated cassette players or CDs with suitable music (the National Anthem; God Help Me I Was Only Nineteen; the combined Waltzing Matilda/ Last Post), to play during these rallies.
• Participating members are requested to carry Australian flags.
• After assembling at each office, members are requested to nominate a spokesperson who is capable of presenting our case to any media representatives who may attend. Scripts will be distributed prior to 17 August 2012 and all members are requested to take a copy of this script to the protest rally.
• All participating members must be neatly dressed.
• All rallies are to be peaceful and conducted without undue noise. The public are not to be disrupted by these activities.
• Where the office of a Federal politician is located within a shopping centre, the rally is to be held outside the shopping centre so as not to inconvenience any shoppers or to generate any angst with the centre’s management.
• Participating members are requested to hand out flyers to the general public.
• Where a Local Action Group (LAG) has been established, the LAG leader will coordinate the rally.
• However in most cases there will be no LAG. Consequently the members will have to take ownership and responsibility for these rallies.
• Members are encouraged to take photographs to record the rally.
• Members are requested to nominate a member to prepare a written report of the rally (who was involved, how many supporters, what happened, etc) and forward a copy to both Ted Chitham ( fairgocampaign@gmail.com) and to Neil Weekes (sealure2@bigpond.net.au)
• All members are encouraged to contact their local radio station(s) during the period 4 – 17 August 2012 to highlight the way we have been treated.
Timings
• Despatch all letters/faxes NLT 1700 hrs (AEST) on 13 August 2012.
• Assemble outside the electoral office of all Federal politicians by NLT 1200 hrs (AEST) on Friday, 17 August 2012. (This is 1000 hrs in WA time).
• Rally concludes by 1300 hrs (AEST)
Conclusion
We need your help. We need to have as many people as possible attend these rallies.
This is an opportunity for you to become involved, to clearly demonstrate to the Government that we have had enough.
This is a dress rehearsal for larger rallies which will be held prior to the next Federal election.
The success of Operation AWARE 2 depends on YOU.
ADSO and I will be putting out further information so please log on to http://www.justafairgo.net and http://www.standto.org to keep informed. (There are members who are not registered members of the ADSO. That is why there will probably be two sets of instructions circulating, one from JUSTAFAIRGO and one from ADSO. We are working together to make sure that as many people as possible are made aware of these activities.
Please tell all your mates, friends, supporters and redistribute this to your email lists.
AATTV Veterans return to Canungra 50 years on
25 July 2012
VETERANS of Australia’s most distinguished unit of the Vietnam War will gather for perhaps the last time in South-East Queensland this weekend.
Former members of the Australian Army Training Team Vietnam will celebrate the 50th anniversary of the unit’s formation with a series of functions, including a nostalgic return the AATTV’s spiritual home at the Jungle Training Centre, Canungra.
AATTV National President Major General John Hartley AO said the AATTV was unique for many reasons.
“For the 10 years of its existence from 1962 to 1972 the AATTV was constantly on operations and never served on Australian soil,” General Hartley said.
“Of the almost 1000 men who passed through its ranks, 33 were killed and 122 wounded.
“AATTV members received the four Victoria Crosses awarded to Australians in Vietnam, two posthumously.
“The total gallantry decorations included 114 Commonwealth awards, 338 US medals, 366 South Vietnamese awards and 45 Cambodian awards, a record of gallantry unsurpassed in Australian military annals.”
Starting with 31 combat experienced officers and NCOs on July 1962, AATTV reached a peak strength of 217 in November 1970.
General Hartley said given the age of most of the AATTV veterans this 50th Anniversary is likely to be their last significant gathering.
“They were all experienced soldiers and time has thinned their ranks more than combat ever did,” he said.
“Although the AATTV never served on Australian soil, ever member posted to the unit attended a gruelling training and assessment course at Canungra before deployment and that is where they maintain their most significant Australian memorials.
“On Saturday they will dedicate a new memorial at the entrance to the camp, then hold a remembrance ceremony at the grove called Canh Na, Vietnamese for “Our Home”, where every AATTV member is commemorated.”
Media contact: Ross Eastgate 0419 673 500
Dear BMCGURGAN, thanks for the heads up about the CANUNGRA REUNION and I reckon this should go on the DIGGERS versus GILLARD GOVERNMENT article as well, to cover all contingencies.
Discrimination against Australian Women in partnership with an Australian War Disabled.
Rounding the figures:
The single serviceman’s “Totally and Permanently Incapacitated”, TPI (disabled war servicemen unable to work due to wounding) compensation rate is $30,000 pa.
The single serviceman’s full “Invalidity Service Pension” compensation (ISP) rate is $20,000 pa.
Combined that is $50,000 net income for a single man on full disability payments from Department of Veterans’ Affairs.
If the serviceman partners his compensation changes dramatically.
Where the partner of a TPI compensation recipient has an income (wage, investment, inheritance or combination of) over $80,000 gross (before taxation, Medicare and superannuation levies) pa then the TPI recipient has the ISP and their Commonwealth Health (concessions) Card withdrawn.
I.e. loss of $20,000 pa.
The TPI serviceman is as much an Invalid before partnering as they are an Invalid after partnering.
However the Invalidity Service Pension is subject to being withdrawn by increments up to its total amount after partnering.
(Government has legislated for the withdrawal of the Invalidity Service Pension before checking that the serviceman still suffers an Invalidity of mind and or body. Partnering will not suddenly release him from his war caused wounds).
To make good this loss the partner needs to earn $20,000 plus superannuation costs, plus Medicare levy, plus tax at 45 cents in the dollar. Estimated gross earnings of $26,500.
In other words the last $26,500 of the partner’s income goes for nothing when compared to the TPI/SR recipient staying single.
Effectively this is what happens to the last $26,500 of the partner’s income:
The ATO take 45cents/$1 and DVA claw back the ISP at 50cents in the dollar. The woman is working for 5 cents in the dollar.
I say woman as the vast majority of partners and carers of our ex service permanently disabled are women.
That is it put simply. However there are many permutations from when the partners income triggers the reduction threshold (an annual gross income of as little as $4,000 single, $7,000 partnered will trigger this reduction of 50c in the $1) of the ISP up to complete loss of the ISP.
Bottom line don’t let your daughter marry a TPI as she will be shouldering the governments financial responsibility for the care of our war wounded.
Not to mention the blatant gender discrimination perpetrated by Australian Federal Government against Australian Women.
Jock O’Neill
PO Box 698
Applecross
WA 6953
The following article was published in the 2 August edition of the Northern Services Courier in an effort to reach more serving ADF members on the fair indexation issue.
An Insult to Their Service
By AIR CDRE (Retd) Ray Gibson, AM
It is hard to imagine how much more removed from the real world the current Federal Government can get. We see the Prime Minister and other Ministers in carefully stage managed appearances with screened public supporters creating the TV illusion of the Government being in touch with the people. But in relation to veterans’ matters at least, nothing could be further from the truth.
There is no better illustration of this than the recent Government sanctioned CPI adjustment for military superannuation pensions. They have received a meagre 0.1% increase in their fortnightly pensions to compensate for cost of living increases over the past six months; and the Government calls it FAIR.
Mr Swan goes even further and says the military superannuation schemes are generous! On what planet do these people live? 0.1% is one tenth of one per cent, and for the average military retiree who relies on his pension to survive, it equates to just six cents a day – less than the cost of one slice of Home Brand supermarket bread.
Of course, retired ADF members or their widows aren’t the only ones suffering because of the total failure of the CPI to measure the true cost of living in our world.
Troops currently serving at Townsville and other military bases are also affected. Most of their MSBS superannuation is provided by an employer component as part of their conditions of service package. But that employer component only increases at the flawed CPI rate until such time as they finally retire from the workforce. That could mean 30 years or more of accumulated loss in purchasing power that our current Diggers will discover to their horror when they do retire. The potential loss in dollars is staggering.
The Alliance of Defence Service Organisations (ADSO) is fighting the battle for justice not only for veterans but also for today’s ADF members and their families.
A new video on MSBS has just been released and it is essential viewing for anyone in the ADF who cares about their future financial security. You can find out more and view the latest MSBS video on the home page of the ADSO website http://www.standto.org
Ray, we, and all other DFRDB members, know that the 75% of our number that didn’t complete their 20 years service were forced to make an interest free loan to their employer. This money was used by the government for whatever it chose to spend it on.
Superannaution schemes today give members the option of investing in shares and properties as it is well understood that long term these investments historically outperform fixed interest. And it is these market based investments that over the long-term outperform the CPI.
Which means that if a member of the ADF on the MSBS scheme separates from the service at 25 and retires at 65, the Government continues to have access to funds that belong to its employees – or, more accurately, former employees – for 40 years to spend on whatever it chooses to. And for that 40 years the former ADF member is denied the right to invest his or her money where it could over that time return considerably more.
If a civilian employer attempted to do to their employees what the government did and continues to do to military members under either the DFRDB of MSBS scheme they would be sent to gaol
SITREP FLASH MESSAGE
G’day all,
We need (want) your help again.
In preparation for the rallies that will be held this Friday, 17 August, between 11.30 am – 12.00 noon, outside the electoral offices of every Federal politicians (Members of the House of Representatives and Senators) regardless of political persuasion, could you please distribute this poster to all your mates, to your family and to anyone else you can think of?
Could you also post or fax a copy to your local Federal politician’s electoral office with a pithy note asking them what they are going to do about this?
THE TIME FOR TALKING IS OVER!!
WE NEED TO TAKE SOME REAL ACTION.
IF YOU ARE HAPPY WITH YOUR DFRB/DFRDB/MSBS RTETIREMENT PAY THEN THINK ABOUT YOUR MATES WHO ARE NOT AS WELL OFF AS YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE!!!
WHEN YOU DIE, WILL YOU BE HAPPY KNOWING THAT YOUR SURVIVING SPOUSE WILL RECEIVE ONLY 62.5% OF YOUR SUPER AND THIS WILL CONTINUE TO BE INDEXED AGAINST THE CPI?
IS THIS THE LEGACY YOU WANT TO LEAVE TO YOUR FAMILY AFTER 20 YEARS (OR MORE) SERVICE TO OUR NATION?
IF YOU ARE ANGRY ABOUT THIS AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS, ARE YOU PREPARED TO GET OUT AND ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT?
OR ARE YOU JUST GOING TO LET OTHERS DO THE HARD YARDS FOR YOU? (MOST OF YOU HAVE REGISTERD ON MY WEBSITE SO YOU HAVE MADE A COMMITMENT. BUT PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD)
WE COMPLAIN ABOUT THE LACK OF SUPPORT FROM OUR RETIRED GENERALS, BUT THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF SUPERANNUANTS OUT THERE WHO ARE NOT PREPARED TO GET INVOLVED!! BESIDES WE DO NOT NEED THE GENERALS!!
IF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE INDEXATION, IF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE WAY OUR DISABLED MEMBERS HAVE LOST PARITY WITH THE GENERAL DISABLED “CIVILIAN” MEMBERS, IF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE WAY OUR FAMILIES ARE BEING TREATED, THEN WE NEED YOU TO STAND UP AND TO GET INVOLVED.
IF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY ABOUT THESE ISSUES BUT YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO GET INVOLVED, THEN YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM!! YOU CANNOT COMPLAIN IF YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR SITUATION!!
BECOME PART OF THE SOLUTION.
WE NEED YOU TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE RALLIES PLANNED FOR THIS FRIDAY. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER OR NOT YOUR ARE A DFRB/DFRDB/MSBS SUPERANNUANT,
THIS GOVERNMENT HAS MADE IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT THEY COULD NOT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT US. WELL IT’S ABOUT TIME THAT WE SHOW THIS GOVERNMENT THAT WE DO MEAN BUSINESS AND THAT WE ARE ORGANISED, COMMITTEED AND UNITED.
MORE DETAILS ABOUT THESE RALLIES WILL BE ISSUED EITHER TONIGHT OR TOMORROW.
IT’S TIME WE MADE A STAND OR WE CAN SIMPLY LIE BACK AND ENJOY BEING FINANCIALLY RAPED BY THIS GOVERNMENT!!!
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO?
EVIL WILL ONLY PREVAIL IF GOOD MEN AND WOMEN SIT BACK AND DO NOTHING!!!
Cheers,
NEIL WEEKES
(Unfortunately the links to the Media Release will not paste. Go to either http://www.justafairgo.net or http://www.standto.org)
Here is a copy of a response to Phil Warwick from Senator Nick Xenophon’s office (posted with Phil’s approval)
From: Xenophon, Nick (Senator)
To: Phil Warwick
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 10:38 AM
Subject: RE: Fair Indexation of Military Superannuation Pensions
Dear Phil
Thank you for your email regarding the Defence Force Retirement and Death Benefits Amendment (Fair Indexation) Bill 2010. Nick has asked me to respond on his behalf.
Nick understands that his decision not to support the Private Members’ Bill last year has disappointed many in the defence community. There is no question that aspects of this legislation were very admirable, but there were concerns over quantifying the costs of this reform and finding long term savings from defence procurement programs.
Nick is aware there were disputes over exact funding requirements, but on any event, without the support of the government of the day, there are legal arguments that legislation that involves the expenditure of funds is not constitutional. Nick wants to reach an outcome that is achievable.
At the time, he met with the National RSL to discuss these concerns. From the outset, he was very clear that he did not feel it was fiscally responsible to support this legislation but expressed his concerns with the way in which the Defence Budget was allocated, particularly defence procurement.
Nick’s view is that by ‘cutting the fat’ in Defence, fairer indexation can and should be achieved.
I attach his recent media release calling for the Veterans’ Affairs Minister Warren Snowdon to refer the matter of veterans’ pensions to the Auditor-General for accurate, independent costing. He believes savings from an early withdrawal from Afghanistan may be able to be used to fund the scheme.
Thank you for taking the time to write to Nick on this issue.
Kind regards,
Danielle Forsyth | Correspondence Officer | Office of Nick Xenophon, Independent Senator for South Australia
Lvl 2/31 Ebenezer Place, Adelaide | TEL: 08 8232 1144 | F: 08 8232 3744 | http://www.nickxenophon.com.au
Regarding planned action in support of superannuation and disability, please note this change of plans which I have just been forwarded
Leaders,
ADSO has decided that the planned rallies and deputation actions planned for Coalition MPs and Senators tomorrow are not to proceed.
Support within the Coalition for providing fair indexation is high as witnessed by their pledged intent and recent actions. We do not want to damage that support.
Regards,
Ted
Report from Melissa Parke’s Electoral Office – Fremantle WA
After the previous rally when nobody showed up in Fremantle, the roll-up on Friday 17th August, in comparison, was humungous!!!!!!
Four good-looking blokes were prepared to turn up for the cause. If nothing else, at least we had enough starters for a game of 500.
We didn’t have a chance of talking with Melissa Parke as she was in transit from Canberra to Perth.
We did, however, have a long discussion with Peter – one of her senior staffers – who was very understanding and supporter of our campaign.
His knowledge of our position was impressive – not too many people have read the Matthew’s Report in full.
He asked for and was given copies of our flyers and accepted our letters to the MP. He informed us that they would be handed to the MP for her action.
Two amusing incidents ……
1. A police “paddy wagon” rolled up containing three policepersons (2 males and 1 female). They had been alerted by the “Dignitary Protection Service” that there would be a rally outside Melissa Parke’s office.
We all had a good giggle when they realised that three old blokes and a very fit Navy Clearance Diver (with 31 year’s of service) weren’t much of a chance of storming the balustrades.. They also were very supportive of us and graciously accepted some of our flyers. At least somebody “out there” is aware of what we’re on about.
2. I received a phone call from the ABC to ask what our rally/protest was all about. After explaining, I was asked if we were part of the protest outside the family house of the Premier of WA (Colin Barnett). Huh??
I informed the ABC I had no idea of that protest. “We’ll get back to you if we want to interview you regarding the DFRDB issue”……… Zzzzzzzzzz still waiting.
I discovered later in the day that some people who are opposed to the proposed gas hub at James Price Point, staged a noisy demonstration at the Premier’s house while his wife was inside!!!
No matter what side you part your hair, in my opinion, it’s not on to involve a pollie’s family.
Roll on the Federal Erection ……….. oops – sorry – Election.
Further to my post above, a not so subtle message to our political representatives…..
Many years ago we carried rifles as our weapons and bullets as our ammunition. Today the ballot box has become our weapon and the vote our ammunition!!!
Below is the latest ADSO Update which includes links to 3 new videos featuring AVM Peter Criss commenting on the performance of the senators who took part in the recent Senate debate on fair indexation. The three short videos do much to expose the hypocricy and ignorance of some of those who sit in the Senate. We need to share these videos as widely as possible. Please do what you ca to pass the links on.
Ray Gibson
ADSO UPDATE
You will recall that this subject was a Coalition initiative debated in the Senate on Wednesday 12 September. Subsequently, Peter Criss, who was present in the Public Gallery, wrote letters responding to statements made by ALP Senators Feeney, Gallacher and Bishop and Green Senator Wright. Those letters are posted on our web site http://www.standto.org
To give greater coverage and emphasis to that MPI debate Peter has recorded three video clips produced by Ray Gibson. You can view them here:
Video 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZajLafD89qU
Video 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElWu49nUxsY
Video 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq_yNrex-sg
Please help the Fair Go Campaign by watching the videos then click ‘like’, leave a supportive comment and forward the YouTube link to every person in your address book. Also add it your facebook page if you have one.
From the “Fair Go!” Team
Campaign Directors: Ted Chitham , Alf Jaugietis
Campaign National Spokesperson: David Jamison
Stay current with the Campaign at http://www.standto.org
Dear RAY, thanks so much for this.I notice your links are active – and I think a similar comment left on the DIGGERS VERSUS THE GILLARD GOVERNMENT section, don’t appear to be ‘live.’
If you can Ray,can you post this on there as well,so we cover all
contingencies.
Sorry Tess, I have tried several times to access the other page but it simply won’t load.
Ray
Dear RAY, well, with your blessing, I’ll try and copy what you’ve posted here and see if that works. Thanks for trying. Will let David know, too.
POSSIBLE DESCEPANCIES IN DFRDB
I refer to a letter from COMSUPER to me dated 18 December 2012 regarding the latest CPI figure and its relation to my DFRDB Pension. I also refer the leaflet PENSION UPDATE January 2013 / Issue #21.
My Query is as follows:
1. I believe the Financial Year (FY) runs from 1 July Year X to 30 June Year X+1. Therefore in a given FY there are four Quarters used for various calculations which include the Consumer Price Index (CPI). These quarters usually end
Sep-Dec-Mar-Jun in the FY. CPI increases if applicable are applied to DFRDB pension recipients in First Pay Days (FPD) of July and January.
2. Given that:
A. The CPI increases are calculated in March and September Quarters–What happens to the Quarters of December and June?,
B. The CPI as declared for March is paid on FPD July and September on FPD January why are the intervening months increases not backdated in the former, Apr-May-Jun, and the latter, Oct-Nov-Dec?
(Note: Six months missed deliberately here.)
3. In the present case as advised in both the documents referred the increase occurred in September 2012 but is not paid until January therefore I contend that I have been underpaid by a total of $101.71 during the period of Oct-Nov-Dec 2012 (Seven Pay Days). This calculation is based on CPI for Sept Quarter being 1.9% = $14.53 in my case but only to be paid as at 10 Jan 13 onwards until FPD Jul 13 after the Mar 13 Quarter figure is calculated.
4. Now the first reference states that the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) only calculates the CPI every six months–Fair Enough but the Second reference States, “On the 24th October 2012 the ABS announced a CPI figure of 101.8 for the September Quarter.” So who is trying to fool who?
5. Regardless of when the CPI is calculated it is a Figure that happened three month ago but we are only paid for it three months later. It is not, but should be, backdated. Yair I know the figure would be different for each individual month (That is why I left 6 months out of it in Para 2 B.) however, by the CPI increasing whilst we are not being paid for it means we are out of pocket and COMSUPER is investing our out of pocket money to cover the next six monthly non-backdated increase.
Robbing Peter to Pay Peter????
Tess
I still can’t get in on the old site. Is it gone and we use this one now?
Bob
To: Ross Bain–Chief of Staff at Office of the Hon Warren Snowdon MP
Ref: Your Letter in Reply to my Queries, Not Referenced, dated 31 January 2013 postmarked “CANB ML 04FEB13″.
1. Thank you for your informative reply to my various queries as listed in your letter.
2. However, you have not answered my main query about Back Pay given DFRDB ACT 1973 As Amended–Section 98 in particular 98A Interpretations, (1) clearly defines “Half years” and “Prescribed Half Years” and the “First Quarters of Each”. I still contend that the First Quarter for the January Half Year is March and the CPI increase for March Should be Paid in the First Pay Day of January–requiring Back Payment to the beginning of the Prescribed Half Year of January. The payment being made for the March Increase is made in the next Prescribed Half Year. There is some gobble-de-gook in 98B Increase in Certain Pensions (1) which negates itself in that it is unintelligible, refers to “Prescribed Half Years after 1985″–whereas “Prescribed Half Years” as defined by 98A(1) says a Prescribed Half Year “commencing on 1 January 2002 or subsequently”. Does not define the certain pension.
3. I do intend to wait a month for your reply to this one.
4. I do appreciate your answers as contained in the referenced letter though. Thanks Again.
All the Very Best,
Ken Fox
P.O. Box 155
68 Enid Court
BLACKBUTT QLD 4306
07 41700535
Dear BOB IHLEIN, I have only just now come across your comment.
We are having problems with our Diggers versus the Gillard Government story and it is disappointing to us all, to say the least. I know
that DD is on the case. And I will stay on the case too – and with you all, rest assured.
I will seek an update from DD, and of course, he’ll see this as
well.
Your story and your important and historical comments remain a stalwart of this site and part of the investigative imprint and character of IA.
Dear DIGGER53, have you had a response from Snowdon yet ?
He is in serious danger of being blipped off the parliamentary map at the election.
I cannot imagine many Diggers voting for him.
He has behaved despicably towards you all.